Why airlines are so eager to get the Boeing 737 Max back in the air despite customer concerns

Sadly, that is not the only place that writing is not edited or that someone has read it before being sent to the printers. I have read 2 books that have way too much fluff, no coherent plot and atrocious spelling errors.

An example is: "The Soviet Union has put a great deal of work into producing a thermonuclear warfare by simultaneous explosion of hollow charges."A thermonuclear what? This might be in a work of fiction, but similar stuff was in a history book that I read. I might not remember what a dangling participle is, but I sure can string words together and have them make sense.

What would be a better term?

I flew weather research flights on two different NOAA P-3s in Arizona and Oklahoma. Tough airframe, great crews.

WAIT? WHAT? No Lion airlines or Ethiopian airlines…. Say it isn’t so! Now how could they not make your top twenty list after all one of their flight crews was certainly qualified to fly a hum… let me think hum….how many hours of flight time in a modern jet…at best they were only qualified to fly a Cessna trainer! If the pilots can’t fly stick and rudder because they were only trained on a stem-you-later then how could you expect them to fly a modern commercial jet liner full of unsuspecting passengers the same problem that brought down them two birds happened at least 390 times in the us airlines and yet imagine them ex military properly trained and paid I might add.. pilots somehow didn’t crash and just reported there was a small glitch! As far as Boeings role, well yes it was an issue that could of been fixed while the airlines planes still kept flying but being CNN got on the fake news here in the USA that couldn’t happen instead they take a issue as simple as software and make it all Boeings fault when it’s not! It’s like getting hurt in an automobile crash for not wearing your seatbelt then blaming the car manufacture...Trained pilots who are trained properly and paid well instead of greedy airlines who hired under trained pilots would have made all the difference in the lives of those who perished! Yes Boeing had a part in all this obviously, but the blame is really the airlines! All crashes happen for a reason and I hate to say it but once again its 90% + pilot error (inexperience = error) as much as you all hate to admit it being your all well trained and I’m sure most of you would have just written it off as just a bird with a glitch and had your maintenance fellows fix it! Rewriting a billion lines of code to make it stupid proof is just ridiculous it was a fairly simple problem and only required a fairly simple software solution but because the fake news along with Trump got a hold of it!...Well you guessed it now it turns into a mountain when in reality it was just a molehill! Ding dongs claim it was Boeing's greed but the reality is Boeing in an innovator and always has been ahead of the competition the rest of the world gets jealous and constantly throws them under the bus but then again we have Fake news here because if you heard all the horror stories coming out of say Airbus manufacturing well I think you might not fly on their birds... ever! So Chillax fix the issues as they arise and make sure them’s that’s piloting our aircraft have the proper training to handle most any situation ask Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger if training and experience helped him and he will certainly give you a resounding YES!

What’s an EP?

Really? So you’d never fly on British Airways, Virgin Atlantic or Qantas or Lufthansa?
Funny that!

False. Though to be fair the reporting on this is absolutely horrible, to no ones surprise. They got a low hydraulic pressure indication on the left side, which is no big deal. Then they got a fuel imbalance on the left side, which again is no big deal by itself, you can rebalance by using the cross feed. However it appears they suspected a fuel leak, there are no details as to why but the checklist mentions a 500 pound change in 30 minutes or less. In the case of a leak the checklist directs you to shutdown the affected side engine to hopefully contain the leak. And whenever a 2 engine airplane becomes a single engine airplane you are directed to land at the nearest “suitable airport”, which is what prompted the diversion.

This article provides the basic details, but that’s about it.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air-canada/boeing-737-8-max-suffers-hydraulic-fault-shuts-down-left-hand-engine-on-return-to-service-flight/

I just mean that it will become increasingly difficult to avoid, especially as more are put into the market. I was hell bent on not flying a 787 but alas, I ended up on one from DEN to HNL. I could've spent different money and tried dates that used a 777 but the pain in the ass of that will become too much for any significant number of people to actually avoid MAXs forever.

The hardware design error was basing a critical operation, the forced nose down, on a single sensor, the angle of attach sensor. That sensor failed in both crashes. But it was a whole series of bad design decisions: hardware, software, and human factors that caused the crashes.

Apparently you didn't read David Craig and Phil Caron's messages and / or watch Greg Fife's video. So, don't fly on the Max.... one more seat for me!

Boeing should be punished financially, that is the only argument Boeing considers. The general public should refuse to fly on Boeing planes - regardless of current airworthiness.

I agree Stephen, enough said.

That is a pretty egregious distortion of the facts. That 15 crashes figure comes from an internal FAA review after the first crash. All they basically did was look at how many flights/hours the type had flown when it crashed, and interpolated that over the projected lifespan of the fleet. That doesn't take into account improved knowledge, training, and aircraft updates. So to essentially suggest that Boeing knew the airplane would probably crash that many times and simply ignored it is disingenuous at best.

Not arrogance.... experience. It's hard to read so much of the BS here that it becomes rather infuriating. What's the old saying? It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt. Mark Twain

Everyone forgets that.

If the pilots could have done nothing then how did one of the crashed planes survive the very same incident the day before?
An experienced trainer was on board and he knew the emergency procedures thats how.

I seem to recall reading this somewhere as well. Didn't they run multiple simulations using info from the FDR, and no matter what scenario, there was no guaranteed safe way to save the aircraft (without deviating from SOP).

Please cite your sources for this information. I have heard/read no such thing.

Then perhaps those people should be asking questions and doing some research on their own instead of accusing Boeing of murder and calling the Max a death trap. Just a thought.

They are from areas known to train pilots less which is why one of the crashed aircraft had the same incident the day before but had an experienced trainer on board... guess what it was a non issue the day before.

That would be the Pinto. I remember that.

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So how did that plane that crashed survive the same issue the previous day? https://simpleflying.com/lion-air-737-max-dive/

While having an extra pilot in the cockpit at the time helped, it also shows a lack of awareness or training of the pilots that were flying the plane when it crashed.