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Delta Airlines orders up to 45 new A321s and 10 new A330-300s to replace older aircraft in their fleet. These planes should enter their fleet and begin service by 2016. (www.reuters.com) 更多...

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speedbird347
Airbus seems to be taking a lot of orders from Boeing these days. It will be a sad day when the 757's leave the fleet, the most beautiful subsonic airliner ever made.
StarFlyr
StarFlyr 1
I think I'm going to vote for the international version of the 707 as the most beautiful subsonic jet ever produced.
nasdisco
Chris B 6
Neither company has a perfect product mix. It will be a sad day when the last 747 is built.
preacher1
preacher1 2
Well, I have seen the 707, 727 and now the 757 start and end production. I saw the 747 start production and as you allude, the end is not far. The 767 is not far behind. The 777 and 787 will rise to the top and all else will be obsolete. They may be at or nearing production's end but I'll bet they'll all be flying somewhere for a pretty good while.LOL
pdixonj
pdixonj 8
It doesn't really matter whether it's Boeing or Airbus. From the standpoint of safety, both companies make great aircraft, and none of their planes would be in skies (over the U.S. anyway) if they weren't proven safe. Besides, an A330 will get you there in about the same amount of time as a 777 will. When it comes to comfort, it's more about how the airline configures the cabin layout, rather than the actual aircraft itself. It's more important to look at the airline operating the aircraft, rather than the company that built it.
mattwestuk
Matt West 7
I agree with you 100% regarding comfort in aircraft. People talk about how Airbus "crams" people in - but they do not, the airlines do. For example, BA has 3-3-3 seating in their 777-300 economy, but AA has gone with 3-4-3 which is excruciatingly cramped - that's not Boeing's fault. Similarly, Spirit crams people in their A320's with only 28 inches of pitch, but US has 31 - not Airbus' fault.

Both companies make great products. I love the 777 over the A330, but I think I prefer the A350 over the 787. At the end of the day, my enjoyment rests with how the airline decides to "fit" me into the cabin, and that's out of Boeing's and Airbus' control.
RRKen
Thank you very much for that logical and reasoned response. Sure beats the mindless, illogical mantra of "if it aint Boeing, I aint going".
Viperguy46
Very good post from both of you!
I'm always looking for leg room no matter what aircraft I'm on!
Make of aircraft is really a none issue for I believe?? That most accidents are pilot error or control fault etc: anyway..I don't worry about what I'm flying on but more so if the PIC had a good night sleep! LOL
klimchuk
klimchuk 2
Boeing need 757 replacement to compete with 321
Viperguy46
LOL....Kenneth Schmitz!
Learned that from a retired 777 instructor.
flyingscotno1
Seems airlines think the A321 is proving most capable 757 replacement, at least financially. Just a pity its range is a bit short for some of the 757 routes too, or it would be a real winner. You have to question whether Boeing were right to stop making the 757 or perhaps it was just too niche an aircraft.
klimchuk
klimchuk 2
Who is happy with narrow 757 flying across the pond anyway? When you can take 777,380.
flyingscotno1
Airlines! Thin routes to secondary cities are very much the 757 domain at the moment. Maybe older widebodies will replace them but who knows- don't think the airlines know!
pdixonj
pdixonj 1
Neither Boeing nor Airbus has offered up an adequate replacement for the 757, as far as transoceanic flying goes. Both the A321 and 737-900ER can match the 757 on domestic ranges and seat count, but neither one can come close to the seven five's combination of intercontinental range and payload capacity. I think Boeing and Airbus would simply like to see the 787 and A350 fill that void, but all airlines see is another widebody type they have to buy to put on a route that's too thin to support the use of a widebody. The 757 was never billed as a "transoceanic" type to begin with, it just evolved into one out of airline need (or greed, depending on how you view it). Had the 757 been more popular in international markets much earlier on, I don't think Boeing would've ended production of the type...in fact they probably would have started production of an extended-range type similar to the "ER" modifications airlines have already put some of their 757 fleets through.
preacher1
preacher1 2
Well, it had the range, especially after it got ETOPS with the RR's in the mid 80's but the 767, as a wide body, kept it pretty much domesticated, as it was single aisle. Fine plane though, and still is. From a looks and performance standpoint, at least from a pilot's perspective, can't nothing that's out there today that will match it.
shefra
Based in ATL, I need a recommendation on which airlines to best give my loyalty --if any. Also. With whom should I fly over the pond?
preacher1
preacher1 1
I would say Delta, although there are plenty on here that would disagree, but from ATL, you can go just about anywhere.
shefra
Thx for your response. Yours have been my sentiments--until now, and I wanted to hear others' views. I worry that my loyalty will be little rewarded in the not so distant future.
preacher1
preacher1 1
I think them and UAL are going to a revenue based FF mile package and I really think that in the next couple of years, everybody will. I never really worried about that much though, not flying as a pax that much. An airline was way to get from A to B and whichever got me there the quickest and most convenient way, and in the most comfortable way, generally got my business.
shefra
As a Gold Medallion Flyer, for a while, there were some great perks.
Accumulating miles was fast and free flights, upgrades and first on was convenient. Overseas travel particularly was great as the lounge access and shorter lines made the long travel days easier.
Now that will change. But but maintaining the stattus might still be worth it?
preacher1
preacher1 1
probably; like I said, all of them will be there in a few years, if not sooner. Gotta go. Got a lapful of grandkids. LOL
Viperguy46
Very true preacher. The older I get the less I travel. However, when I do, American seems to going the same place I want to!
Buy American built stuff is my main point!
preacher1
preacher1 1
Could be, but they are going the same direction as DAL. Ain't my doing. I'm a Boeing man too. LOL
Viperguy46
Jesse Carroll -6
Glad I don't use Delta very much! If it's not a Boeing, I'm not going!
preacher1
preacher1 4
If you fly much, you will fly what's at the gate. Tis good to be a Boeing person but as the future gets here you may be staying home more.
canuck44
canuck44 0
If one flies much, you know what is scheduled for being at the gate and can look at alternatives. When the comfortable 764 or 763 go to the desert, I will change airlines to whatever is comfortable across the Atlantic...and will pick a 777 or 787 over any of the Airbus products.
FedExCargoPilot
I believe Air France still flies Boeing between Europe and the US and they are part of sky team. Weird to think airlines like BA and Air France, Norwegian etc are starting to use more Boeing than US airlines!
flyingscotno1
For Air France short haul is all Airbus, long haul is 2/3rds Boeing planes. BA is all Airbus short haul too once the remaining 737s are retired (this excludes the Embraers with Cityflyer), but are mostly Boeing long haul (although are going to be mixed 777, 787, A350 and A380 in future once the 747s go)
FedExCargoPilot
I was referring to transatlantic, but yes in Europe it is virtually all Airbus except for Ryanair. BA will keep there 747s for a long time, at least there is one left.
flyingscotno1
That's true. Transatlantic wise can't see the BA 747s lasting much past 2020. They are looking tired interior wise even compared to 777s of the same age.
canuck44
canuck44 0
Not really weird...Airlines like Delta get huge "discounts" from Airbus in order to get a foot a door of a particular market...the discount may actually push the price below cost, the loses passed on to various partners. Alternatively it is not unheard of "favors" being passed to important executives known to have juice. Air Canada just switched to all Boeing, but there was likely to be extreme scrutiny of the bidding after the "Airbus Affair" during the Mulroney government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_affair
preacher1
preacher1 3
Airbus is going to have a good toehold for it's Mobile plant after it starts up, with DAL, AAG and SWA all located in the South. I would look for them to make a run at SWA before long. It may not be successful but you can bet they'll try.
honzanl
honza nl 3
yes, and Boeing never gives discounts ? US companies never give bribes you think?
why we then here had 2x a Lockheed affair ?
Airbus and Boeing do exactly the same....good and bad alike
honzanl
honza nl -5
comfortable? when the new 777X will have 17" seats against Airbus 18.5 " ?
and what is so comfortable about a 787 when it starts to burn: you like fly warm or so?

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The AAIB bulletin compares the circumstances surrounding the incident on the Ethiopian 787 to certification issues raised last year about lithium-ion batteries on commercial aircraft. The 787 fleet was grounded for more than four months after two lithium-ion battery fires erupted in January 2013. The investigation uncovered deficiencies in the testing the FAA uses to determine if lithium-ion batteries are safe, prompting the US National Transportation Safety Board to recommend that the FAA impose more rigorous testing on such power systems. The lithium-metal batteries involved in the Ethiopian 787 battery fire last year are chemically different than lithium-ion batteries, but the certification standards show similar deficiencies, the AAIB says. The current certificated standards for such lithium-metal batteries are government by a technical standard order (TSO), and therefore do not require manufacturers to test the batteries as integrated with the ELT or as installed on the aircraft, the AAIB says. As a result, the AAIB recommends that the FAA and industry meet to reconsider whether the TSO process is the best way to prove that lithium-metal batteries are safe.

In March, the AAIB performed a more robust test than the TSO process requires on a lithium-metal battery. That showed the Honeywell ELT can overheat and cause a thermal runaway event, the AAIB says.
Boeing and Honeywell were not immediately available to comment on the AAIB report."
RRKen
Then you have limited yourself drastically. Wake up and smell the coffee brewing, airlines today operate Beech, Embraer, Bombardier, SAAB, Cessna, Viking Air (de Havilland) and Aérospatiale craft in passenger service.

That equates to thousands of destinations on the continent you illogically refuse to visit.

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