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Crashed 767s crew were trying to avoid weather

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Preliminary analysis of air traffic control communications with the crashed Atlas Air Boeing 767-300ER freighter near Houston indicates that the crew was trying to avoid a weather system during the approach. (www.flightglobal.com) 更多...

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ADXbear
ADXbear 22
Let the investigators do their jobs.. stop speculating.. we all see the obvious evidence.. the CDR AND FDR. Will tell the story.. RIP

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kalirick
Rick Hunt 2
The NTSB has already indicated that there were light winds and no storm activity that would have causes Atlas Air crash. In fact, a United flight overflew the crash site less than 6 minutes after the crash and reported :moderate chop at worse". The storms to which ATC was referring were more than 20 miles to the west of the crash site to the airport.
meshawfly
CRAIG MESHAW 2
I did not hear the crew say that they had any kind of problem.
bbabis
Bill Babis 8
A sudden severe problem you get immersed in completely. Talking to ATC is way down the list.
mattwestuk
Matt West 0
Aviate
Navigate
Communicate

My instructor impressed the importance of this order on my first ever lesson. Still holds true today, regardless of the newer technology.
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
1st Golden Rule.... "FLY THE PLANE"... the rest will wait! Sure is a lot better idea that having your friends and family paying respects!
MultiComm
MultiComm 1
Cockpi Voice Recorder has been found. It is enroute to Washington D.C. for analysts.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/cockpit-voice-recorder-recovered-from-cargo-plane-crash-site-in-trinity-bay-ntsb-says
baingm
Gary Bain 1
Great news. FDR next!
MultiComm
MultiComm 1
Flight Recorder has now been found
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Black-box-recovered-at-Amazon-plane-crash-site-in-13656141.php
bbabis
Bill Babis 1
That article only says CVR.
MultiComm
MultiComm 1
Yeah I just realized my mistake. I saw the headline and jumped to quickly.
bbabis
Bill Babis 1
Still good news on the CVR. If the data is good it should shed a lot of light.
bbabis
Bill Babis 1
I believe they now have the FDR. NTSB should be able to get this one solved.
Viperguy46
Jesse Carroll 1
"FAKE NEWS" is everywhere!



RIP mates and families!
RandiRN
Randi Schwarz 1
any chance the aircraft encountered a microburst?
baingm
Gary Bain 1
rawhp1
Bryan Jensen 0
See my reply under Robin Cooper.
snatr
Gary Peters 1
The ATC communication here was poor at best.
jcdanley
jcdanley 1
I live about 4 miles from the crash site. I am a corporate pilot and was flying that day myself. Weather was typical of lines of weather and areas of thunderstorms. But my wife and daughter both saw very heavy rolling clouds, as they described it, about 15 mins before the crash over in the direction of the crash site. Maybe when the weather folks get all the data together they will know something. So sorry for the families of those men.
jcdanley
jcdanley 1
In my 35 years of corporate flying I have seen some pretty usual weather. I have seen tornadoes under clouds that were only a few thousand feet high that had no vertical development but were within maybe 5 miles of a thunderstorm. Who knows what happened.
craigbell1941
Craig Bell 0
Never have completely trusted computer/fly by wire aircraft. I know it's State of the Art but I still like direct feel and touch of Moment with my control surfaces. I can look around the cockpit of my Schweizer and actually see the cables and turnbuckles and I like it.
baingm
Gary Bain 5
The 767 is not a fly by wire aircraft. Not sure what your post means...
craigbell1941
Craig Bell -1
767 is a so called "fly by wire" aircraft. It's Yokes and rudder pedals are connected to electronics that feed the on board computer that in turn feed the control surfaces.
MultiComm
MultiComm 4
Well not exactly. The 777 was Boeing’s first fly-by-wire aircraft. The 767 still has traditional cables that operate the primary flight controls via hydraulic actuators while the spoilers do have a early development of a fly by wire system.

baingm
Gary Bain 4
That's not "fly by wire" in the Airbus sense by any means and that's not the way the airplane is controlled. It uses the traditional cable and actuator system. I flew the 767 and it was never referred to or considered fly by wire. Spencer is exactly correct.
watkinssusan
wow..these comments just go on and on..one of the black boxes was found yesterday..voice recorder I think..so the ntsb will have a start on the accident cause..the sheriffs divers are still in the deep mud looking for the other box..everyone likes to speculate,but its best to wait for the results from those who are doing the actual investigation...
afcjr1201
Allen Churchwell 4
If we did what you said there would be no need for comments, plus many including sparkie624, myself and many others that have decades of experience to post educated comments (as we have done for decades). Why did you come to this site because if there were no other speculations there would be no information to gain or digest.
watkinssusan
well,congratulations on your many years of experience sir..possibly you should go to work for the ntsb or the faa who would most certainly welcome your speculative observations, as they search for factual information..
afcjr1201
Allen Churchwell 1
For your information I am retired from flying with over 23,000 hours under my belt I don’t need criticism from an idiot
ffrcobra1
ffrcobra1 1
Never argue with an idiot. A passerby may not be able to tell who’s who.

Samual Clemens
watkinssusan
thank you ffrc1....this quote from samuel clemens( or "mark twain" as he was known)is quite applicable to those who rather than just read others comments, choose to bring nastiness and name calling to a simple discussion..when you attempt to just add a polite comment or the like on here, it often for some unknown reason angers a few..that is life on the internet sadly...
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
“Always do what is right. It will gratify half of mankind and astound the other.” That was said before the internet.
afcjr1201
Allen Churchwell 1
you are correct, I have been on FlightAware for over 15 years, removed myself a year ago due to post's that are made went against my grain as did this ladies. I rejoined about 6 months ago. I have learned after making it to 73 years old I just don't need the drama. thanks for reminding me what is important and what is not Samual.
joelwiley
joel wiley 2
Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.
Mark Twain
afcjr1201
Allen Churchwell 1
And you jumped into the middle of this why>>>oh ya I remember you now...
rdgc
robin cooper 0
curious as to what was the experience of the United flight following?
rawhp1
Bryan Jensen 4
Back in the early 70s I was following an Eastern DC-9 on the ILS into FLL in very heavy rain and turbulence I elected to miss the approach early, diverted to MIA and learned that the DC-9 had crashed
joelwiley
joel wiley 0
Thanks for that - posting so I can follow the comments.
watkinssusan
per news reports and eye witness interviews,the plane dropped rapidly,then suddenly nosedived into the bay..some people living very closeby say they heard a loud bang, and others say they heard strange noises coming from the engines (it was within proximity of land and the beach and a state park so there were people around and some even took cell phone video of the aircraft) ..the ntsb and the faa will find the cause,even though the planes pieces and parts are scattered and embedded into the sand and mud of the bay,which is not very deep..
kwtxpilot
kwtxpilot 4
"eyewitness" reports are notoriously infamous for being very, very wrong
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
And drawn out to say nothing or very little!
Viperguy46
Jesse Carroll 1
Have you ever waded in Trinity Bay or any coastal mud bottom areas? Didn't think so!
Most of that mud is left over dredging sludge and turns to quick sand. Try wading in a cesspool with rubber waders on and you will get the picture, Well, maybe not!

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bbabis
Bill Babis 9
Sorry to be crass. Sometimes you just gotta say duh to these article titles. Every flight tries to avoid weather of any significant variety but they don't all crash. I hope the investigators figure this one out and we all learn something so that this crew did not die in vain. RIP.
rawhp1
Bryan Jensen 1

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MultiComm
MultiComm 3
Here goes the speculation comments ... although I will say that this article points to several additional ATC transmissions that have not previously been report which adds a lot of information to the puzzle.
ffrcobra1
ffrcobra1 5
Really? You can’t imagine otherwise? A 75°F day in south Texas and the freezing level is going to be well below 10,000 feet? That’s already very imaginative.
baingm
Gary Bain 1

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EbunkerD
Erik Davis -4
In 37% of air crashes weather is involved in some way as a contributing factor. In only a few cases it was the root cause. Air Cargo pilots are only required 8 hrs of rest after duty work, vs. 10 hrs for passenger flights. Cargo air operators fly older airplanes and many of their airplanes have so many deferred maintenance items tagged INOP, making them frighteningly barely airworthy.
Cargo operators also fly more hazardous materials then passenger airplanes.
So you have tired pilots flying older crappy airplanes that are barely airworthy, throw in a little bad weather I am not surprised that something bad like this has happened.
MultiComm
MultiComm 3
I appreciate the statistics but 1) the crew rest period is not a factor here (notice I said crew rest period NOT fatigue ... I will NOT speculate on this). 2) the aircraft is not that old 1992 compared to many cargo aircraft flying today. 3) I can't speak to the maintenance condition specifically but I can say it was not "frighteningly barely airworthy".

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