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At least 4 jets stranded for hours, airlines may be fined

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It was a passengers' nightmare at Bradley International Airport near Hartford, Conn., this weekend. Passengers on at least three JetBlue planes and one American Airline plane say they were stranded on the tarmac for seven hours or more after being diverted from New York-area airports on Saturday. The ordeal continued after they were let off and had to spend the night on cots and chairs in terminals. (www.nypost.com) 更多...

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preacher1
preacher1 0
According to CBS news last night, this was more on the Airport rather than the Airlines. There was even a com on there between one of the pilots and the tower asking for help. BUT, the bigger problem in the whole thing is the Airlines and PAX flying into that mess to commence with. It ain't like folks didn't know it was coming. In addition, Hartford and customs sent a lot of folks home. Why not just close the Airport. Obviously the people weren't there to operate it properly,
dmanuel
dmanuel 0
Do you think airport/city management would be more responsive if they were subject to the same maximum fines (about $24K) the airlines are? Another suggestion is don't let the decision makers hide behind the vagueness of airport/airline X kept passengers on a plane for 7 hours. Announce by name the person who made the decision, then see if things improve.
preacher1
preacher1 0
You are very correct. They made the comment on the news that the Airports had gotten themselves opted out of that deal. By the Airport being open, that is why they were diverted there in the first place, but somebody at the airline had to talk to somebody at the Airport to handle them once they landed????????????????
AAL411
Definitely ridiculous!!! If the FAA are going to divert planes, send them where the Wx is manageable both for ground-crew, airline personnel, and passengers. These kind of incidents should never happen. The other question is, how much fuel was on board the a/c so the pilot could fly elsewhere to avoid these situations. What about the airline folks that work at operations, what did they advise the pilot to do that contributed to his/her decision to divert to these HELLISH bad Wx airports... They are many factors that contributed to this happenings; however, the blaming-game is not what we are looking to do, but to avoid PAX to have to experience these kind of ordeals in the near future.
preacher1
preacher1 0
There was a tower conversation with one of the Jet Blue Pilots on CBS news, and he was indicating no support at all from his company. ATC must have diverted them in there because the Airport was open. If staff was down that low because of bad Wx, they should have closed it and ATC would have sent them someplace else. Apparently no support from Jet Blue because they could not get anyone up there to handle. Either way, one mell of a hess. As I said earlier, those flights should have been cancelled. That Wx was no surprise,
AAL411
I agree with you 100%, Wayne, these flights should have never been given permission from their companies to take off. This shows us once again, that because the airline industry wants to make $ at all cause, they are loosing their interest in safety. Yeah, we talk about safety (regulations upon regulations), but it needs to be implemented and just not talked about.
wb2cjs
wb2cjs 0
Who decided to divert to BDL? Airline, ATC, or Pilots? Do airlines have to divert to an airport that they have gates at? It seems really stupid to divert to an airport with bad weather - I thought that was the whole idea of a weather diversion; to go someplace where the weather is better.
preacher1
preacher1 0
I don't think that part has been told yet. 1. If an airport is open to ATC, then it is open; staffing or abilty to handle PAX is not part of the equation. 2. Conversation with tower from one of the pilots indicated there was no prior contact from Jet Blue with any one at the Airport, at least for his flight and he was getting no support from his company.
Normally, a flight is in communication at all times with somebody somewhere from their own OPS group???????? Normally, an Airline will contact either their own group or another airline at a diversion Airport to handle a flight. These are under normal circumstances. I don't know what happened here but it definitely did not go down the way it needed to.
katzny1
JetBlue should be fined to the fullest extent of the law. This is not the first time this situation has happened and they are airline that is responsible for creating the fine regulation. If anyone should have been trained to avoid this situation or know what to do, it should have been JetBlue. They deserve to pay the fine just on the basis of their own stupidity. They are a disgrace to the entire airline industry and just illustrates the extent of the moronic behavior of the airlines to the flying public.
trterry
How did getting off an airplane get to be such a big deal?

First using the engines you get the plane as close to the terminal as possible.

If the plane has a back stairs, just lower the back stairs and get off, walk across the tarmack into the terminal. Whatever conditions are in the terminal they are always better than on the plane. There is enough "help" on the airplane to guide the group to the terminal.

I,like most, have taken many flights without "Jetways" where the flight began and ended with a walk across the tarmack, often in rain & snow.

If the plane does not have back stairs every plane has two or more slides. Open a slide, any passengers that want to slide out should be given that option.

I had a professor who suggested that if you wanted to get an organization to "engage" you used of a variation on, "when you call the gas company always end the call with, AND WE SMELL GAS!"

When there is a chance of a belly landing all sorts of equipment is called out and belly landing or not the passengers are quickly picked up and hauled back to the terminal. A suggestion of landing gear problems on approach would bring out the necessary equipment to get the passengers off. And the the equipment would be out on the field ready to respond to such as a belly landing instead of back in the garage getting the engines started.

This is one of those things that the airlines could do but they have a bad case of "I don't want to". If the air field is objecting all the captain has to say is "I am letting down the back stairs/releasing the slides -- deal with it!"
wrprenmtice
Not only should the airlines and the airport management pay fines, but those in position of authority shouds be FIRED!
NF2G
David Stark 0
I don't understand how fining either airline would be fair. This was a system failure, compounded by the weather.
wb2cjs
wb2cjs 0
If the airline decided to fly with a well-predicted ongoing storm, then JetBlue deserves blame. If JetBlue already decided to fly, and then decided that BDL would be the best place, or even a place to consider, diverting to, then they are to blame. If the pilot was unable to receive any direction from his airline on what to do, then they are to blame. If the pilot, unable to receive direction from his airline, elected to divert to BDL, then JetBlue is to blame as well.
preacher1
preacher1 0
Well, it was already a well predicted storm and in that respect, Jet Blue is probably to blame, BUT, in further reading the article, it appears there were some system failures at JFK that caused the whole mess . It was then that all this Fiasco started to unfold. There is probably plenty of blame to go around.
sunnsea
Joe Russo 0
Storm in progress. Why were these flights not cancelled at their origin? Even I could tell from watching the Weather Channel, that going from NYC to BDL was going from the frying into the fire. The forecast was for 12+ in CT, West. MA. Should have diverted to SYR, ROC, BUF.

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