CDC mask mandate for travelers struck down by federal judge

I think masks work, since they have been using them in operating rooms for the past 70 years or so. Next time you are on the table, don't have anyone remove their masks. They work better than nothing, not as good as being outside.

the whackadoo snowflakes will go to any length to be offended by literally anything

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no.... completely different meaning and context, not to mention it undermines the point of the argument.

the supreme court rules following the constitution. you should be honored that they do - otherwise you would be even deeper under the bootheel of tyranny than you already are.

if you believe so passionately that it will be overturned, then put your money where your mouth is and put a paycheck up against that claim. I will.

No he knows Ginny Thomas ,,,she decides

The effectiveness of masks directly relates to your accusation that the CDC's mandate was a whim.

Let's also remember that the CDC, which Congress created, is the Center for Disease Control. It's all about controlling disease. And the idea that masks do not (cannot) *sanitize* the breath exhaled by someone who's shedding virus by trapping and containing liquid droplets that contain the virus is preposterous. I think people broadly understand that. After all this law, passed in 1944, post-dated the 1918 influenza outbreak during which masks were commonly warn to control disease and prevent its spread.

Like much other analysis I've read, it seems that Judge Mizelle wanted to strike it down and twisted her reasoning around the word "sanitize" to achieve her aim. That's the very definition of an activist judge.

Judge Mizell is rated "unqualified" by the American Bar Association. Appointed by the former guy. You're making quite the leap there.

Planes are already full. I wore a mask for 10 days straight while in Europe since you had to have a negative COVID test to come back to the United States.

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Completely correct. Now you've probably gone and caused quite a bit of cognitive dissonance in few people, Bryan.

my only disagreement is that conspiracies exist - and they really don't even try to hide it.

Yes, there was a pandemic. Yes, millions of people died during that time. But, the connection between most of those deaths and COVID-19 is highly suspect. There were financial incentives for classifying just about everything as COVID-related.

The bottom line is people like Brian James believe what they are told by their government and the new s media. They are willing to trade personal freedom for promises of safety and security. Others, like you, me, and the judge in this case prefer to live in a place where we get to make decisions for ourselves.

I don't have medical qualifications but there have been plenty of papers written by people who do. The judge has no medical qualifications either. That's why her decision would be more acceptable if she had at least looked at some data or had heard from some witnesses.

But she didn't. She made a science based decision without consulting anyone of science.

Because masks work better when everyone is wearing them. Why are you even asking that question after two years of pandemic?

The pandemic acted as an accelerant with social media allowing for exponential stupidity to flourish.

In 1996 during the dawn of the commodity internet I was asked for a newspaper (remember those?) interview about what affect the community internet sites (at the time forums, bbses, chatrooms and newsgroups - long before the term "social media") was going to have on people. I was asked about this because I was in the industry at the time and actively involved in the technologies which were rampantly expanding the accessibility to the internet.

I said it would make people anti-social in real life, cause massive magnification in the divides between people and their beliefs, historically corrupt governments and perpetuate lies on any and every subject matter known to man, and in the end be responsible for so much social chaos that it would result in a complete and total breakdown of all societal norms and devolve society and humankind as a whole.

I was right on the money - and those things scared the hell out of me so much that I left the industry and took to the skies instead, as I knew that when it came time to check out I could simply fly away - and either get somewhere nobody else was, or nose-down into the earth or ocean when we reach the state of World War Z.

We are heading towards an internet-driven collapse of all of society - and we were already barreling down the tracks before obama, trump, covid, biden, systemic racism & equity [sic] and covid. All of that simply strapped a gigantic booster rock on the train - and we are now heading to that global, societal demise at the speed of fiber optic light.

He also said:

"It's much easier to fool someone, than to convince them they've been fooled".

the day we all find out why is rapidly drawing near. mark my words - the next dramatic & tyrannical overreach will be quite profound and will plunge this nation (and others) into an extremely long and bloody civil war. It will happen in your lifetime - and is much closer than you realize.

she didn't write that opinion. I was written for her. She has never written an opinion or tried a single case when the GOP gave her a lifetime Federal judicial job. She is a GOP placeholder who writes what she's told to write....

Yet there you go mentioning politics….

I did not start the discussion about politics so maybe take that up with the person who posted this decision.
As for the rest of your post you are just like Brent, you cannot debate the ruling so you resort to attacking the credibility of the judge. Come back when you have read and understand the ruling and maybe we can discuss it.
Have a nice day

Makes you wonder why everyone is in such a tizzy doesn't it. Or were they just going to extend the mandate for another two weeks in perpetuity?

Why two more weeks, anyway? Based on what science? Did Biden have some inside knowledge that two more weeks would make all the difference? Some reporter should ask Pentagon Patty that question.

I think they intended to keep extending the mandate for two more weeks, for the next two years.

1> you must be new here. the politics surrounding air travel have always been a discussion topic.
2> if you think the fed was going to actually rescind the maskdate in 2 weeks instead of continuing to extend it again and again and again and again and again and again and again as they have been doing - I have some ocean-front property in Minnesota to sell you
3> if you think 2 more or less weeks is going to make any difference - kindly cast your mind back to the end of March of 2020... when all we needed was "2 weeks to flatten the curve", and then life would return to normal.

It has been 772 days. You have been exposed. Get on with your life.

aerosol droplets? Which are they areosols or droplets?
https://seas.yale.edu/news-events/news/aerosols-vs-droplets-transmitting-covid-19-there-s-big-difference

Pro tip (yet another for ya): stick to topic and don’t drag other mask mandates into the discussion

pro tip: the fact that you believe any of that just shows that you are not in a place to offer pro tips

sorry - federal court ruling, which is in essence - a legal standing and ultimately the definition of what is legal and what is not. ergo - a law.

FFS. Go back and study civics and understand the role of each of the three branches of government.

the CDC is not a government agency, has no elected officials and has no power to enforce anything with congressional approval.

The CDC partners with Government, receives some of it's funding from government, but is not a branch of government or a government agency (despite appearances and it's .gov web address).
https://www.cdc.gov/about/business/cdcfoun.htm

In a legal sense, it would be no different than if Facebook had come out with this mask rule.

Justify tyranny as you will, I surmise you don't live in Shanghai!

https://www.marketplace.org/2022/04/12/inside-shanghais-indefinite-lockdown-isolation-outcry-food-shortages/

Seriously? I have never seen anyone so intent on proving their ignorance on a subject matter as you have here. You have posted all over this topic, embarrassing yourself while lacking an elementary understanding of civics and law.

Should the day ever come when you learn that the judge's decision was based on law, not physiology you'll have a better idea of why people have laughed at you and you have embarrassed yourself.

Please tell us the name/number of the statue passed by Congress that she does not understand. Hint: This is a trick question.

Brian, if you feel like the mask is your 'blanky' then by golly wear the damn thing!

No, making the proper decision. Legally

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2022/04/08/airborne-covid

There's a difference between "droplets" and microscopic water vapor.

Covid is airborne.

if you think masks are going to save you - then wear them. leave the rest of us alone.

The N95 blocks down to 3.0 microns. The Covid particle ranges from .03 to 1.8 depending on what it's attached to.

Then there's the Danish study that proved masks are statistically irrelevant in the real world.

"A total of 3030 participants were randomly assigned to the recommendation to wear masks, and 2994 were assigned to control; 4862 completed the study. Infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42 participants recommended masks (1.8%) and 53 control participants (2.1%). The between-group difference was −0.3 percentage point."

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

Is the N95 even manufactured to NIOSH standards? Or, is it a Chinese knockoff? Biden was recently handing out masks at the White House that had a label indicating it was made in China. Go figure.

Now, let's talk about the environmental system in an airliner. They use upper level HEPA filters. The air is cycled four to six times more per hour than the average commercial building and that includes hospital ORs. The only thing that may exceed it is a microcircuit cleanroom using laminar airflow. Fresh air from engine bleed is introduced at about 50% per hour.

Throw in the fact at altitude you're not going to find particles short of flying through volcanic ash which tends to have a negative impact on turbines.

Now, you were saying?