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Since there are few airports that can handle an A380, when you have bad weather, you just have to make it work. (www.euronews.com) 更多...

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amentor
a mentor 5
This demonstrates why the rudders are so big too.
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 1
Too bad the PF didn't use it to straighten out before touchdown. Nevertheless, a good landing is always one you can taxi away from under your own power
SahirSiddiqui
SahirSiddiqui 5
Wouldn't the plane just get blown off again if he straightened it while wheels still off the ground?
bbabis
bbabis 3
Yes, if you actually straighten out. Crosswind procedure though is to transition from the crab to a slip into the wind just prior to touchdown and that keeps your runway track acceptable. Low wing airplanes with engines under the wing are more limited in bank allowed at touchdown due to the possibility of dragging a nacelle or wingtip.
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling 1
Watching the video (Finally!), I see that the plane seems to be hit with a huge gust, and with seconds, fractions of a second perhaps, from deciding to call it, or drop it. The PIC decided to drop it, and apparently went off the runway.

I was watching a number of videos of planes trying to land about that time, and the crazy setup that so many tried.

I cheered for the ones that called it, and went around again. One plane, they put the wheels down, had a wicked blast, rocked (a lot) and the wheels went right back up, and they saved it for another try.

I did cheer when a few actually came in and NAILED IT. One came less than a foot from burying the right outboard engine. I was impressed. On rotate, another plane came inches from dragging their butt! Exciting videos. I recommend them to anyone that can withstand the possible rapid heartbeat and shock. They were pretty graphic. YEA HAH!!!

The time, coming into LGA, where I was so sure I'd be smeared across the runway, I yelled 'YEA HAH!!!', and several people laughed. I think we bounced four times. Yeah hah indeed...
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 1
yup, i remember the DC-6-63 series allowed 5 degrees of bank because at 7 degrees you would tag the inboard engine on the runway.
mpouliot
mpouliot 1
U are absolutely right !
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 3
Actually, you align the aircraft with the runway using rudder while lowering the upwind wing which helps counteract the crosswind component allowing the pilot to touchdown with as little sideways strain on the landing gear as possible. Obviously a steady crosswind is easier than gusty wind conditions.
w7psk
Ricky Scott 2
If he was using Auto Land the A/P would not use the rudder to straighten at the last second. I would just fly the course to the runway, then the pilot would disconnect and finish the landing. Im guessing that is what happend.
w7psk
Ricky Scott 1
It would fly the course to the runway not I
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 1
Autoland limitations.
w7psk
Ricky Scott 1
When I tested the FMC in the SIMS I had some pretty gnarly Crosswinds I had to test at. I would be looking out the Side window at times.
amentor
a mentor 5
More appropriate term would be Slipping or Crabbing onto the runway
mpouliot
mpouliot 3
As a private pilot, what really impressed me is the engineering that made possible for these landing gears to support such force !!
So so strong that giant of the sky !!!!
bbabis
bbabis 3
That landing reminded me of the crosswind gear you would find on some old Beech 18s. You would go ahead and touch the mains down in the crab and the mains would align with the aircraft track which was hopefully down the runway. With the mains firmly on, you could then bring the tail around, hopefully not all the way around, and fly it to the runway.

In this 380's case, I think he/she was helped significantly by the wet runway. If the runway had been dry, I don't think the technique used would have worked out so well.
raleedy
ALLAN LEEDY 2
I remember the crosswind landing tests conducted in Iceland for the A380 in development. It seems as if the implications of a limited number of airports that can accept the plane were understood from the start, and the plane was designed to perform with a pretty high crosswind component.
Relics
Relics 2
Impressive landing
shoalwaters
Mike Webb 2
As an engineer but not a pilot, I'm having difficulty deciding if that is skilled flying within acceptable limits, or a huge aircraft full of people who just dodged a bullet.
crayanderson
C Anderson 2
It’s both, actually.
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling 1
If you walk away, it's good, right?
vblue0115
Vaughn Blue Jr 1
I would say that was time for a clean pair of underwear.
jbsimms
James Simms 1
BUFF, B-52 pilots say “Hold my beer”.....
djweller
djweller 1
Isn't a CW landing in the BUFF a bit easier, given its LG can be angled +/-20 degrees either way. Just make sure you angle it the right direction :)
Propwash122
Peter Fuller 0
“....when you have bad weather, you just have to make it work.” No, you don’t, you go to your alternate.
djames225
djames225 6
Can not always go to your alternate in inclement weather. Sometimes just as bad there...or worse
Falconus
Falconus -2
What's the point of an alternate if you can't land there?
djames225
djames225 2
It's called contingency when the flight is planned. Issues, such as weather, can arise at the intended airport, and you need an alternate to go to. But weather, at that airport, can change in a heartbeat and make it just as bad.
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 1
Alternate airports are by flight planning definition, forecast to at or above certain alternate weather mimima for the ETA of the flight. The A-380 can land at any number of airport runways however, ground support and gate criteria is usually an issue for the big bird.
djames225
djames225 1
Agreed..but like I stated pertaining to the alternate airport "weather, at that airport, can change in a heartbeat and make it just as bad."
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 2
Again, the weather at the alternate is at a forecast that meets the weather criteria? That is how flight planning is accomplished. Weather only changes in a heartbeat because most people don’t pay attention to weather until it is upon them. Pilots, dispatchers, meteorologists, pilot reports, updated hourly actual weather reports, flight following all play a part in the flights ability to complete it's mission. That is why alternate and second alternate weather forecast minimums are higher than destination weather minimums.
djames225
djames225 0
I know all too well about weather forecast criteria at alternates and do pay attention. I have those forecast change drastically whilst in the air close to destination. Weather is not just rain storms, snow storms etc. Small cells can pass through an area and look perfectly fine to continue through, but can change, and have changed, in a heartbeat.
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 3
Didn’t say you did not pay attention, just stated that in this industry of ours, in this day and age, weather surprises are very low on the list. The airlines just try to make schedule requirements and tend not to give enough consideration to aircraft and/or pilot limitations.
Falconus
Falconus 1
There is a difference between not being able to land at your intended destination or your preferred alternative because there are two small storm cells that happen to be affecting both at the same time and not being able to land safely at all because you've chosen to fly into a region that is being universally affected by a storm system.

The first is not necessarily predictable, but you can find somewhere else to go if you can't wait it out.
The second is much more predictable, and should be avoided.
Falconus
Falconus 0
I'm not passing judgment on this particular situation as to whether the pilots exercised good judgment, and I have no idea if alternates were actually seriously considered or not.

In general, however, getting yourself into a situation where you cannot land a perfectly-functioning airplane safely means that you screwed up.

It's not good enough to think you can make it - you have to KNOW that barring unforeseeable events, you DEFINITELY can make it.

If the forecast is so sketchy (that kind of a storm doesn't just happen) to the point where it may exclude all viable alternatives, then honestly a good aviator won't leave the ground. It's a bit like running out of gas - responsible pilots simply don't do that.
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 2
Correct, and the you take Air France who in the face of an approaching thunderstorm decided to continue its approach into Toronto when other carriers ahead of them were proceeding to their alternate airports less than 30 min away.......one totally written off A-340?
AviationScott
AviationScott 2
Unfortunately alternator are very limited for the A380 and with the size and intensity of this particular storm, I doubt that any other airports were gonna prove to be in better or at least the ones which would’ve been in their book of legal alternatives.
jbsimms
James Simms 1
And in case of the worse case scenario, Heathrow probably has better Emergency Services
amentor
a mentor 1
it's a well executed crosswind landing -- but in rather constant crosswind. The industry comments 'this is not what we want to see', as it's STILL a high risk landing; just consider the consequences of a more highly variable condition. It's at least another go-around, wait for better conditions and start planning for the alternate.
sgbelverta
sharon bias 0
According the the Airbus web site, there are 5 airports in the UK that can handle an A380. The rest of the alternatives don't have services like double decker jet ways. And this flight was coming from a country with known Coronavirus. In addition to customs, there had to be strict health inspections upon arrival. All of the UK was socked in with this storm, so the closest real alternative was France. But the UK isn't an EU member any longer, so that created it's own procedural hell. Fun times.
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling 0
So you wear a mask all the time? Um...

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