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Boeing’s future plans threatened by Airbus-Bombardier pact

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Airbus’s surprise move to swallow Bombardier’s CSeries airplane program gives it a new small-jet family on the cheap, threatening the Renton-built 737 and potentially forcing Boeing to redraw its road map of new airplane development. (www.seattletimes.com) 更多...

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RRKen
I don't see how a 100 seat aircraft is a threat to a 178 seat aircraft? Apples and oranges if you ask me. Boeing does not market a product in the 100 seat class, and thus, Bombardier is no threat.
royhunte92
Roy Hunte 6
Apparently Boeing cannot see what you and I can see. They seem to be anti-competition which can be ruinous.
linbb
linbb -5
Don't know what window you are looking out of seems that they are dumping the C series at lower prices because of government aid much like the EU and Airbus
rochcomeau
Roch Comeau 10
The investment (the government took a stake in the company) is exactly like what the US gov did for the car manufacturers. It is also common to deep-discount planes to the first customers to get the ball rolling. Boeing does that as well with the 737s to compete with the A320s.
dav555
dav555 -1
Which is why I will never buy a General Motors vehicle. Governments should never subsidize private businesses. Period.
Moviela
Ric Wernicke -4
No it is not. The auto makers did not dump their cars at below cost in the Canadian, Irish, or EU countries . On the contrary US made cars cost more in those areas because of high import duties. Even Canada which has signed a deal to eliminate duties (NAFTA) violates the spirit of that deal with sales and user taxes.

Boeing receives government money in the form of tax forgiveness from federal, state, and local sources. They do not dump the airplanes at below cost anywhere.
wopri
Can you explain why you think sales and user taxes are against the spirit of NAFTA?
RRKen
It is not "dumping" when there is no competition. And between Boeing and Bombardier, there is no competing products.

Again, companies price products to get business, sometimes at or below their cost. It's called loss leaders. Retailers do it all the time, and I believe many other industries do it as well. Nothing illegal about such a move.
wopri
Isn't that what Boeing is doing?
PaulN2719
PaulN2719 9
Seems like Boeing doesn't like airlines buying a product that they don't offer. If they really feel the CSeries is a threat, why don't they restart production of the comparable 717?
dav555
dav555 7
Boeing really needs to put up or shut up. Complaining about social democracies like Canada and European countries subsidizing their industry is just plain silly as that is by nature one of the things that quasi socialist states do and have always done.

If Boeing starts making awesome planes that people want for a reasonable price then they will be a successful company no matter what other countries do.

Getting our(the U.S.) corporate tax rate down to 20% will also help a great deal in making our companies like Boeing more competitive globally, but there's no substitute for great products at a great price.

So stop whining Boeing and get to work.

Dave
LethalThreat
Good comment!
canuck44
canuck44 8
Triggering the Laws of Unintended Consequences. Seems to be a lack of judgment in the Boeing Senior Management ranks...especially the lawyers.
joelwiley
joel wiley 4
You reminded me of an anecdote in a WWI book of trench warfare jokes:
" Kaiser Willhelm II was being interviewed and the question arose as to what started the War. He responded that it was caused by the American President Theodore Roosevelt. When asked for clarification the Kaiser related that when Mr. Roosevelt was reviewing his troops, he said 'Kaiser Bill, you can lick the world!'. And like a damned fool, I believed him!"
Moviela
Too many airlines rely on market research to design their cabins and service levels. Market research brought us the Edsel, HOV lanes, and "new coke." The 787 addressed the long thin routes with innovation like reduction of the use of bleed air, electric AC, and flight surface control. None of which could be discovered through market research.

Boeing needs to address the needs of the short thin markets that cannot support a 73-8 or 9.

A 75 to 125 pax versions would be competitive with other small jets. A carbon fiber build with a wide aisle and four across seating. Galleys made to serve snacks or meals just after climb out (like 50 minute flights in S. Africa.) Large comfy seats, not the taco shells many are using, nor the thin cushion versions that are like sitting on a plastic patio chair.

Most of all Boeing can bring features and economies to a new aircraft that make it irresistible to airlines. They need to turn the brains loose and let them invent with a clean hard drive.

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