全部
← Back to Squawk list
Details emerge about hole in jet's roof
The flight had to make an immediate emergency landing and descended without air traffic control approval. (www.azcentral.com) 更多...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
i went thru training while in the navy and we were told if an aircraft either military or civilan declares an emegerency we were told to clear the area and give that plane who declared the emegerency top priorety
First and formost, I never had the desire to work in ATC. Why would I use valuable resources to get a ticket punched? I was the guy who went to approach control facilities with company chachkies in hope of developing a good working relationship. I did so as a volunteer (unpaid). After reviewing all of your comments, I see I had very little effect.
Well Ricky-poo, this will be my last entry because this has gone far awry of the original subject.
It's obvious you are the very definition of "Team Player".. You seem to believe you know far more about what's going on, on that radar scope than the guy sitting behind it. I'm equally assured your cooperation was conducive to efficient use of airspace throughout your career. We need a lot more like you. Just too bad you couldn't have dealt with more controller's who have your attitude.
But I'll close this with one statement of absolute certainty. While I possess the Airman's Certificates to come up there and fly your airplane I sincerely doubt that You possess the Airman's Certificates to operate my radar.
It's obvious you are the very definition of "Team Player".. You seem to believe you know far more about what's going on, on that radar scope than the guy sitting behind it. I'm equally assured your cooperation was conducive to efficient use of airspace throughout your career. We need a lot more like you. Just too bad you couldn't have dealt with more controller's who have your attitude.
But I'll close this with one statement of absolute certainty. While I possess the Airman's Certificates to come up there and fly your airplane I sincerely doubt that You possess the Airman's Certificates to operate my radar.
In regards to your last paragraph, "obtained" indicates the PIC has accepted the clearance. If the controller issues a clearance and the pilots says "unable" or does not acknowledge, the clearance hasn't been "obtained." It goes without saying the pilot is bound by the clearance, once it is accepted.
As to the rest of your diatribe, I spent 40 years operating in the system. My one an only concern was always the safe conduct of my flight. I never flew an aircraft in a way that would purposely obstruct flow or cause a problem for a controller. On the contrary you seem to have vengence on your mind for anyone that violates your iron fisted rule. Careful, you're letting the world know all the trade secrets.
As to the rest of your diatribe, I spent 40 years operating in the system. My one an only concern was always the safe conduct of my flight. I never flew an aircraft in a way that would purposely obstruct flow or cause a problem for a controller. On the contrary you seem to have vengence on your mind for anyone that violates your iron fisted rule. Careful, you're letting the world know all the trade secrets.
I don't know what to tell you Richard. From your semi-literate comments it's apparent you are opinionated into believing you are the only airplane in the sky. You seem to have no concept of (ATC) job functions nor do you comprehend how airspace works. Further; your interpreting a very simple regulation (91.123) into what you want it to say... Amazing how your interpretation doesn't seem to be supported by any other airmen. I guess that's because you feel everything has to be "for you", and to hell with the overall movement of traffic.
You wish to attack my egotism.. Go for it. If it wasn't for ego's the size of warehouses there wouldn't be controller's overworking themselves to make the system function. If you think your being picked on; imagine a Center or TRACON filled with CPA's. EGO? You bet, son.. When most other controllers were saying "hold-em" or "I can't take any more traffic" I was saying "You send-em, I'll blend-em. Ain't enough aircraft in the sky to put me down the tubes".. But when I said "reduce speed to 160 knots and I need it Now", it was because I was "building a hole" for YOU that wouldn't otherwise be there and YOU would have been at the end of the string. But you burn me, you go climb up the butt of the guy in front of you or drag your feet turning in (either making me work 10 times harder for trying to help you out or causing me to have a Systems Error) and I'll (1) remember your voice and (2) remember your company.
The reason this discussion has continued, Rick, is the simple fact you cannot accept that the tone of the discussion doesn't revolve around your assumption that "Your #1". Virtually any controller is going to approve any request you have; provided he can approve it. But that's also tenured on the overall flow of traffic. Expressed differently, he's not going to approve your 'wrong way on a one way street' to suit you when it disrupts the overall flow.
And as for clearances issued by ATC, allow me to reiterate the first sentence of FAR 91.123 "When an ATC clearance has been obtained, no pilot in command may deviate from that clearance unless an amended clearance is obtained". Explain to me, please, WHAT PART of "no pilot in command may deviate from that clearance......" is giving you the most trouble? I mean, when compared to, say, the FAR reg's for what to do under IFR and lost communication; 91.123 is pretty straightforward.
You wish to attack my egotism.. Go for it. If it wasn't for ego's the size of warehouses there wouldn't be controller's overworking themselves to make the system function. If you think your being picked on; imagine a Center or TRACON filled with CPA's. EGO? You bet, son.. When most other controllers were saying "hold-em" or "I can't take any more traffic" I was saying "You send-em, I'll blend-em. Ain't enough aircraft in the sky to put me down the tubes".. But when I said "reduce speed to 160 knots and I need it Now", it was because I was "building a hole" for YOU that wouldn't otherwise be there and YOU would have been at the end of the string. But you burn me, you go climb up the butt of the guy in front of you or drag your feet turning in (either making me work 10 times harder for trying to help you out or causing me to have a Systems Error) and I'll (1) remember your voice and (2) remember your company.
The reason this discussion has continued, Rick, is the simple fact you cannot accept that the tone of the discussion doesn't revolve around your assumption that "Your #1". Virtually any controller is going to approve any request you have; provided he can approve it. But that's also tenured on the overall flow of traffic. Expressed differently, he's not going to approve your 'wrong way on a one way street' to suit you when it disrupts the overall flow.
And as for clearances issued by ATC, allow me to reiterate the first sentence of FAR 91.123 "When an ATC clearance has been obtained, no pilot in command may deviate from that clearance unless an amended clearance is obtained". Explain to me, please, WHAT PART of "no pilot in command may deviate from that clearance......" is giving you the most trouble? I mean, when compared to, say, the FAR reg's for what to do under IFR and lost communication; 91.123 is pretty straightforward.
When an ATC clearance is "obtained" does not have the same meaning as a clearance issued and a clearance accepted.