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Airbus stops the delivery of five A330 destined to HNA Group Airlines

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Toulouse - Airbus holds back the delivery of five A330 to Hainan Airlines, Tianjin Airlines, and Beijing Capital Airlines due to the late payments from Chinese conglomerate HNA Group. (airlinerwatch.com) 更多...

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RDLoven
Richard Loven 5
This is easy to figure out why.
If you want to play you have to pay.
If you want to stay in business you deal with people who pay their bills.
This is why SW Air does so well. They have money in the bank and strike good deals on Airplanes, fuel etc.
United can wait in line and pay big interest.
If you have money, you don’t need good credit. You just pay. Another thing do business with good people. A contract with poor ones or a skunk isn’t worth anything anyway.
SFOBro
SFOBro 2
As complicated as business can be made out to be, you narrowed it down quite specifically here. I don't appreciate the cattle call with SW, but they know EXACTLY what they are doing. The plane they chose certainly doesn't hurt either.
It works. Hey China: Guess what happens in America if you don't pay your mortgage?
timjohns
Tim Johns 2
Let me guess... in USA you walk away from your debt and obligations, declare bankruptcy, the taxpayer soaks up your debts and the debts of millions of other in the form of bail-outs to the corporations who gave you all the money to buy those houses that were overpriced and out of your ability to pay back?
MercuryMat
MercuryMat 1
Exactly! Lol
SFOBro
SFOBro 3
After having a quick scan through the commentary, I would like to add that Chinese American dollars have disrupted the real estate market like no tomorrow.
So if that collapses, then it directly affects us, immediately, NEXT DOOR.
Pardon my snark, but don't they just need to order one, and then reverse engineer it? A handful of Chinese make so much profit off reselling us our own products that it's amazing. Think recycled plastic.

That all being said, I won't fly anymore, I will NOT tolerate the TSA and I have absolutely zero faith in Homeland Security, but I want the industry to be healthy, regardless of my personal standing. I still love everything about an airplane, and flying, but it's sad that we've had to have this remarkable experience so denigrated over the past 19 1/2 years.
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If you lie down with dogs..............
shenghaohan
Shenghao Han 3
I suspect it is the Chinese government is holding back the payments.
In recent years the Chinese government had tightened their control on foreign exchange, preventing people transferring money out to buy foreign property and immigrate out. They can easily freeze the money from the Group as all foreign transfers go through the centeral bank which is under government control.
And also Chinese doesn’t have a “credit” culture, often Chinese will only buy something unless they can pay in lump sum (unless it is something super expensive, like a small apartment in their crowded cities can cause hundred thousands of dollars). Most Chinese have a debt card instead of credit card.
I used to joke about American colleges spent all their money right after payday and then have to borrow money from their Chinese coworker to get a beer.
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 2
I had not considered that, but it would make sense. The loan default rate of the Export-Import Bank of the United States for asian aviation customers is 0%. China is still flush with money, so much so that it is driving inflation.
chalet
chalet 4
Chinese companies got crazy buying all kinds of hotels, airlines, catering firms etc. in the past few years without proper due dilligence or establishing an orderly growth strategy and now they are paying the price for being so unprofessional. Good ole Waldorf Astoria Hotel in NY was sold by Hilton to a Chinese insurance company at a staggering $ 2 BILLION for starters and then converting it into condos and modernizing everything inside and out at another billion or so but the Chinese Government had to step in and take over the hotel for the insurance company was hanging to dear life by a thread. This reminds me of a headless and outright crazy acquisitions of all forms of real state in the US by Japanese conglomerates back in the 90s and most of the deals going real sour. For instance Mitsubishi paid zillions for the Rockefeller Center but had to unload it a few years later at huge loss.
sparkie624
sparkie624 3
That is the way it works.... You can expect to get credit when you don't pay your bills on time!
yr2012
matt jensen 2
Can't get credit
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 2
That's the way it SHOULD work. If they had bought the aircraft from Boeing and financed the purchase through the Export-Import Bank of the United States, then the US government would have gotten stiffed.
joelwiley
joel wiley 7
"US government" should read "US taxpayers".
ko25701
ko25701 1
But the airplane is collateral unless they crash it before it gets repo'd. Imagine repo-ing an airliner?
ayayay
carlos rivera 1
Pay per view...that simple...
devsfan
ken young 1
No tickie, no laundry....
ayebee
Ivan Blakely 1
Interesting Hainan came in at #8 in airline awards (for what they are worth).
bfambrough
Bill Fambrough 0
No Tickiee . . . .No Laundry. Case closed.
djjamar
Jamar Jackson -5
I heard China economy will soon crumble because they over buying too much
shenghaohan
Shenghao Han 5
Where did you heard it from? Fox News or Mr. President’s Twitter?
SFOBro
SFOBro 1
You probably shouldn't start........
Viperguy46
Jesse Carroll 1
Oh well...too late!
devsfan
ken young 0
Oh please...Cut the nonsense.
Viperguy46
Jesse Carroll -1
Fake News source...of course!

Sorry, couldn't resist! Maybe Whoopie Do Da Goldberg said it?
devsfan
ken young 1
THe econkmy of China is dependent upon the government manipulating their currency. Remeber, this, China's currency is not traded on the currency exchanges, That is by design.
Also, if one wants to see what kind of fiscal disaster the govt of China is facing, search "chinese ghost cities"....For anyone who has a basic understanding of the real estate marketplace and central government subsidies, this is a scary situation.

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