25 seconds. 24 inches. Neither is very large in terms of time or space. But both are huge indicators of just what travelers from different cultures are and are not willing to endure. (www.forbes.com) 更多...
Yet here's another FOWL ODOR out of American Airlines drive to make more profits. Pure Greed on their parts to treat people like this. Folks remember VOTE with your Wallet and fly any airline that you can, and tell American airlines to shove this toilet up their BUTTS.
Oh, please, don't be so impersonal - its not a generic all inculsive THEIR. Lets be much more specific and truthful - its the CEO and senior operational officers who contrived this exploitation (rape) of their customers. This kind of corruption always emanates from the overpaid, under qualified crap at the top. They have no clue and certainly plenty of disrequard for the fundamental fact that many of their customers are far better educated and experienced than they and certainly in the aggregate it is absolutely no contest. I suppose the morons were assuming we individually and as an enormously observant and analytic aggragate would not notice. But then again thats what vastly overpaid exectutive staff do - make stupid half-witted decisions but certainly reflecting contempt and disrequard. On the other hand they are beholden to that other massively corrupt industry that diverts most of our hard earned retirement contributions to their own end with plenty of reserves to ensure kickbacks and payoffs- Wall Street.
This WAS a top secret program carefully crafted by the 'agency' to once and for all significantly reduce the threat of terror (terrorize the terrorists). Now that it's out, well, we'll see.
This makes me wonder if they may run into ADA issues here. They definitely will run into ACAA issues, and even with that, they are going to end up with lawsuits slapped against them so fast that "turnaround" to them is going to mean how fast can they turn around to get slapped upside the head with the next lawsuit.
They'll definitely get a drubbing from anyone suing under the ACAA, as it requires the airlines to have accessible restrooms, and this is inaccessible.
I'm prepared to join a suit.. I had a personal experience a few year back dealing with my disability and a small lavatory.. I got lightheaded had to take nitro and get sup O2.. created quite a stir going into LAS.. EMS at the gate. All due to confined work space in Lav.. I should have made a deal about it..
I had the misfortune to fly a 737-900 on United with the same lav setup. The guy who invented this should be arrested and the people who approved it fired. It is not just that the lav is stupid-small, it is the the airlines demonstrate either an incredible lack or respect for their customers or outright hatred. I have to make another flight cross country soon. So, which will it be? 5 days in a Subaru or 5 hours on an airline. Subaru all the way!
This is why I drove 32,000+ miles last year in 43 states and 7 Canadian provinces OR I fly my beloved little Cherokee. The only time I fly airlines is if I don't need to get there anytime soon ("Time to spare? Go by air!") .... 11 of my last 13 airline trips they didn't get me to my destination the same day (all North American trips). Oh, there's always a good reason .... the airplane's broken, the weather isn't nice, the pilots are too drunk to fly .... always good sounding excuses, but ..... And my luggage arrival rate stands at 45%. You don't need a lavatory ... the next service station or rest area is never very far AND I never leave home without my trusty pee bottle!
I thought the feds were doing something about the ridiculous sizes of seats and leg room to put a stop to this sort of nonsense? I'm guessing that didn't go anywhere and neither will complaining about this sort of stuff. Honestly, though, you can blame deregulation of the air industry for alot of our woes. Once airlines had to stand on their own when it came to making profits, that opened the door for all sorts of shortcuts in order to survive.
What do you mean, people of size? It must have been well over 20 years ago that airlines stopped worrying whether or not I can stow my 6'5" frame in an economy seat. And why would they care any more about whether I fit in the toilet?
Richmond, VA to Spokane, WA via Amtrak is "cheap" at $500+ if you don't mind spending three days without bathing, and sleeping in a coach seat. If you want a berth though, figure between $2,300 and $2,800, depending on if you want to shower or not. The trip takes 3 days, requires you to change trains twice and you get to Spokane at 0140. Yeah, not really a great alternative, which is why my wife is driving it two weeks from now. She gets to stay in a hotel with a good bed and full sized shower each night and the cost is about what we'd have spent for first-class business class if there even was a business class offered.
Wife and I took Amtrak from Maricopa (Phoenix) AZ. to Portland. Handicapped Room 2 nights, Shower facilities and included meals for about $400 per. Nice comfortable ride and gorgeous scenery. Depends upon how much time you have and what you will put up with.
Just flew Delta on a brandnew A320. Same setup. They are all the same. Flight attendant told me she won't use the lav, just holds it until destination. Sad, and unhealthy. Time for some new competition.
It would take a special kind of stupid to think they enhance "safety" in any way. If anything, they make us less safe. And that's without even getting into how many criminals were caught *inside* the tsa. But "safety" isn't even the point, anyway. It was about making the public FEEL "safe."
When my son and I flew SWA from Indianapolis after the 500 last week, severe storms on the Eastern seaboard caused gate changes for the flight. I am disabled and was seated in the bulkhead isle seat and my son in the window seat. A disgruntled gentleman sat between us and because of the gate change, he was unable to make a potty stop before boarding. He complained to the flight attendant that he must use the forward toilet. She explained that according to the FAA rules he had to wait until we were at altitude before she would allow him to go. After talking to this guy, I knew he really had to go and encouraged the the FA to let him. She communicated with the Captain and they held the plane at the entrance to the the runway while the man got up and quickly urinated in the head. As soon as he was re-seated, she again called the Captain and he immediately turned onto the runway and took off. I was happy for him as I am sure we all can imagine the problems one can have when trying to contain ones bladder.
Flew on a C17 and Globemaster III from Dix/McGuire to Kuwait City, 3rd seat from the door with the "comfort pallet in front of me. Nice comfortable nylon web seating plenty of leg room and wearing my LBE and 9mm
Flying coach get closer and closer every day to being like traveling steerage on the old ocean liners coming from Europe to the US.What's next? The cattle?
I gave up on flying AA after a cross-country flight a few years ago. The crew were crowing about their new Seatback Entertainment System, the CPU of which took up more than a third of the foot well, preventing me from fitting both of my feet, let alone my carry-on, fully under the seat in front of me. I flew cross-country again earlier this year on United. Guess what they had crammed in the foot-well?! Airline logic...
Bob Monte: Please check your math. Raising the ticket price $1.00 would compute to an extra $182.5 million per year (not $365 million) based on 500,000 passengers per day.
I stopped flying American many years ago, probably close to 20 years ago when they started squeezing the seats. Still can get to where I want to go with out them. This is just another reason not to go back. But soon I'm sure they will charge for the restroom use. There will be a coin box there to put your quarters in...or a chip reader for your credit card.
American Airlines is out to make the money from 12 more seats, but heaven forbid you need to pee or poop! I think they've misjudged the public. I predict they'll start losing business.
Isn't there some sort of criteria about how quickly the plane can be evacuated in an emergency? As the seats become more cramped, I wonder if anyone is concerned with basic safety?
Last Sept AA reported 500,000 travelers per day fly their airline. If they raise ticket cosy by just one dollar on all flights that's an instant 365 million in their pockets annually witjout doing one thing different. No retrofit cost, no tiny bathrooms. Pure greed is all rhis amounts to.
You might want to break out the calculator when making these kinds of comments. One dollar times 500,000 is $500,000. Times that by 365 and you get $182,500. Of which the various regulatory agencies and taxation agencies will probably get a third.
I wonder how the AA execs get around.....roller skates, hitchhiking, a greyhound bus, a competitors airline? Ahhhhh, how about personal jet(s) with nice restrooms? As for 25 seconds and 24 inches, I am still pondering that one. Are you ejected after 25 seconds? Can you only hit or only miss the toilet?
Passengers more than ever before are just the beef in the back of a cattle car. U.S. airlines have finally lost all sense of what customer service means. Maybe the pilot unions can go on strike or lobby Congress on behalf of the passengers instead for their own needs because soon this whole deal is going to implode. I know I don't fly the airlines unless I have absolutely no other option anymore.
Apparently the decision making brass didn’t do a personal Beta check ... or maybe they did but since they would travel positive space First Class it wouldn’t be s problem for them.
I just took a tape measure and measured the chair in which I sit writing this. The width of the chair is 24 inches exactly. Ok, I can sit on it comfortably, though I am mildly fat at close to 200lbs. But I can't imagine turning around. I also can't imagine people fatter than myself even getting inside a space that width.
Self driving cars are right around the corner...sailing along 24 inches apart, all going 140MPH to your programed destination, lay back and read a book, or watch a movie, take a nap, stop whenever and wherever you want to, take the dog, on and on. The airlines will still be king at anything over 2,000 miles, but the bread and butter under 1,000 miles will dissapear for them. their days are limited.....
Wonder, WHO design the crappyroom? AA or United or Delta or Boeing? All of them?!? I BELIEVE that ALL OF THEM together agree over something?
FAA SHOULD know better for our safety as their TOP Priority, right? Why does FAA allow the airlines to smaller sizes, less legroom? Do they aware of evacuate for our safety?
I BELIEVE that many airlines BRIBE to FAA and/or NTBS, to allow accept their offers/ideas.
We need to watch all the US FLAG airlines' CEO and their GREEDY managements who work with FAA folks.
That's one of the many, many reasons that everyone in our company, in our family and in our circle of friends stopped honoring American Airlines with our business. But if you think this is bad, just wait until Allegiant installs their new credit card readers on their lavatory doors. Nice, kind, caring folks!
Only in America!!! Where everything including, democracy, bows to the ulmighty dollar. All through history, where everything at the top of the pedestal eventually falls off, and hopefuly including presidents.
What happened to AA? Now their starting to act like the "low cost" airlines! Say goodbye to first/business class service! And, they say they want to be like Delta?
AA is responding to the mandate of increasing shareholder equity by enhancing top management compensation for decisions that maximize short term profits. Nowhere in that mix is anything benefiting the walk-on cargo source of those profits.
I recently flew AA first class lax to lih and I can assure you they are aready acting like the low cost airline. The food was horrible. I don’t drink much so that’s not an incentive . The service was so-so. But I’m not sure any other major airline is better What to do?
Vote with your wallets people, show airlines you willing to pay more to at least able to use the lav. That said, thank to big oil company convinced the president to raise oil price, some airlines will have harder times. (Regular went from 2.5 to 3 /gal here in FL, now imagine how much Jet A will rise.
How does the president raise oil prices on the world market? Is there a knob or lever in the oval office which controls the world economy? Inquiring minds want to know.
Hey dumba$$, I know you are sad about Hillary losing ad will take any opportunity to bring it up NO MATTER WHERE but this has NOTHING to do with Trump, oil prices, or the oval office. OK?
How does one vote with their wallet when there's no other choices? On some routes there are no other carriers serving your destination, or the others have the same setup, and if you're a business traveler your company dictates your travel, leaving you zero other option.
I count myself lucky that I'm retired and I don't have to deal with that and I can drive where I need to go.
Airlines make lavatories smaller and that is a fact. Also a fact is that some cling to their small minds and have no comprehension beyond their 2016 hurt butts.