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Norwegian Air Shuttle Suspends Four Routes to Las Vegas, Because It is Just Too Hot

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Las Vegas is just too hot for Norwegian Air Shuttle. Anytime the mercury hits 104 degrees Fahrenheit or hotter, the discount carrier is often forced to ground planes filled with nearly 300 passengers headed out of McCarran International Airport. The mid-day flights were often delayed for several hours until temperatures cooled. The difficulties eroded profits for the discount carrier. As a result, Norwegian will suspend flights from Las Vegas to four European cities in late March, resuming with… (www.reviewjournal.com) 更多...

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jlyount
John Yount 10
The departure from Las Vegas shouldn't be a problem as the passengers weight should reflect a monetary down load.
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 10
Here' s a thougt, stop putting 291 pax on a 200 pax aircraft! Do better research on your route structure and who did the proving runs to make this feasible?


tyketto
The amount of passengers I don't believe are the real cause of the problem. Condor/Thomas Cook flies a B767 on a KLAS-EDDM run 4 days/week with just as many passengers. However, the timing of when they land and depart is critical. Most flights to Europe arrive anywhere between 1pm - 2pm during the summer here in Vegas, and have a 3 hour turnaround time (with the exception of BAW, who departs around 7 - 8pm local time). That includes refueling, cleaning, customs, etc. On the London run, VIR does this in a 3 hour period, but uses a B744 instead of a B787.

My point is that it isn't the amount of people, but the heat, weight, density altitude, and other meteorological factors that come into play here. While the number of people is a contributing factor, it isn't the critical factor in this change of service.
Highflyer1950
Point taken. however 91 extra pax relates to around an additional 18,000 pounds and two things may occur, one might be runway limited or brake energy limited, two they may be over their max landing weight at destination. Not overly familiar with the 787 but the some models of 777 has this landing weight issue on the Beijing/ Toronto routes. While many aircraft are WAT limited this should be researched on the proving runs when scheduling route structure, especially when operating out of KLAS or KPHX and similiar airports.
paulgilpin1953
paul gilpin 5
i get nit-piked here all the time so here goes.
why put a picture of, and caption referencing 737s, at the heading of an article about 787s?
the first thing i thought when reading the article was, "since when does a fully loaded 737 have the range to reach europe non-stop"?
then i re-read a portion of the article and found out why.
they moved europe.
Jabo3167
@Paul I heard Europe is pulling out of the EU.
paulgilpin1953
paul gilpin 3
nigel sends his best.
drdek
drdek 2
Bring back the VC-10!
dee9bee
dee9bee 1
As Brad mentioned, there are workarounds that other airlines seem to have figured out. As an aside, I spent many hot afternoons at the fence at LAS doing photography in the early 80s. The older, lower thrust 727s of Pan Am ( I think) and National would be waiting for quite some time to take off on runway 07 (no L/R then) to take advantage of the slight downhill slope.
tyketto
And they still do that, especially in the summer, when they may land and depart on the 7s and 19s. but regardless, it all has to do with timing, and while I'm not sure about the other destinations, but with every airport in London being slot controlled, they may just have the worst slots for that route, and have to adjust during the fall/winter months in Vegas.
Highflyer1950
Agreed.
Colonelron
Its very simple their performance date ends at 40C
crewdoggy
crewdoggy 1
Personally I think it's a matter of economics and by economics I mean the carrier doesn't want to pay for take off data above 104°F. That data costs a lot of money and with a limited schedule it's probably not worth it financially to purchase that data from the manufacture. Most nonaviation people, non-commercial aviation people don't realize that these purchases are made ala carte. You can choose to purchase data up to a higher temperature but those purchases cost hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars. I know that certain airlines purchase data, at airports with extremely high temperatures, in excess of 120°F. Airlines just have to decide how much money they're willing to spend on take off and landing data and the markets they are flying in to and out of.
spurgeonrichard350
Las Vegas is a good place to stay out of. Las Vegas = lost wages in English
peterlmaas2
Peter Maas -1
IF GLOBAL WARMING IS TRUE WE WILL NOT FLY ANY AIRCRAFT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. RETURN TO THE HORSE AND BUGGY DAYS WITH WHITE CANVAS ROOFS.
kirktuttle
Kirk Tuttle -1
Total nonsense. Obviously they have markets that will provide higher yields than the LAS flights were providing. LF is a bad measure when there are minimal yields in the market.

Must have borrowed the PR folks from Southwest to provide their info.
tyketto
Simple question. Have you flown into or out of KLAS when the temps reach 44C or higher, making those temperatures and density altitude require the use of the 7s during the day?

This has nothing to do with yields or revenue, but actual flight operations.

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