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Breast cancer survivor forced into invasive patdown by TSA, even after submitting to backscatter imaging scan

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"My wife Lori Dorn, who has breast cancer, tells her story about a TSA agent at JFK on Friday who required her to submit to a pat down due to her breast implants, even though she had an identification card for the implants that is used to prove that the implants are an actual medical device. The TSA agent would not let Lori show her the card." (boingboing.net) 更多...

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Crash501
Les Ede 0
There is a god...its called TSA.....ask them they will tell you.....what a bunch of inbred morons... and they are protecting us ?????
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 0
FIRST OF ALL "PROFILING" WORKS A HUGE % OF THE TIME; LEGAL OR NOT. I PROFILE THE PEOPLE SITTING NEXT TO ME AND AROUND ME. DOESN'T TAKE LONG TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE JACKASS IS, WHO THE CLOWN IS, WHO THE DRUNK IS, AND WHO I WOULD PICK AS THE MOST LIKELY PERSON TO BE A TERRORIST OR CRAZY PERSON. ANYONE TRAVELING ON A PASSPORT SHOULD BE GIVEN THE THIRD DEGREE EVERYTIME. WHO SAYS THEY SHOULD TRAVEL WITH THE SAME EASE AS A US CITIZEN. DO I THINK ALL THIS TSA STUFF IS NECESSARY? I THINK A WELL TRAINED TERRORIST GROUP CAN BLOW UP AN AIRPLANE ANY TIME THEY WANT. WHAT THEY CAN'T DO SO MUCH ANYMORE IS COMANDERE ONE TO USE LIKE 911. VIGILANT CITIZENS ARE THE FINAL DEFENSE. THERE IS NO TOTAL DEFENSE AGAINST SOMEONE WILLING TO GIVE THEIR LIFE TO KILL OTHERS. DO YOU FEEL LUCKY PUNK!!!! THEN GET ON THE PLANE.
padgettrea
Ahhh... the joys of charter.
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 0
All private flying is wonderful. Hope we don't have to redistribute that wealth anytime soon.
wdailey1
Bill Dailey 0
Lori:

You need to get your story to Kate Hanni at FlyersRights.org

[kate@flyersrights.org]

Kate is a leader in the fight against abusive TSA practices as well as the whole area of flyers rights and frequently appears in testimony before congress as well as aviation regulatory bodies and DHS.

This is exactly the kind of evidence she needs to get things changed

Sorry for your experience - best wisheds for your recovery
sacolman
For me it is not a question of whether I get mucked about by security at US airports or not flying, it is a choice whether I will go to the USA or not. I decided to keep away from the US as being the easiest of all solutions.
How entirely stupid of some to suggest that if you don't like being patted down in public you always have the alternative of not flying. Unbelieveble insensivity, - the person who suggested it must be a TSA agent or a twin brother of Mr Rumsfeld.
Crash501
Les Ede 0
there is a god...its called the TSA.....ask them they will tell you.....what a bunch of inbred morons....
cthirschberg
The terrorists are looking for any inconsistencies in human bodies and behavior. The TSA is doing their very important jobs for our safety and well beings. I give them credit for all they accomplish at their paygrade. If you don't want to be checked for dangerous chemicals, drive or take a train.
rick737
Those who are willing to give their rights to insure security will have neither. Some smart guy said it. Churchill, I think.
cthirschberg
To Richard: We aren't living in the 30's or 40's anymore. Bombs and weapons can be planted on people in very small sizes.We aren't giving up are rights, just trying to be safe. The terrorists are constantly testing our safety systems looking for gaps and holes like shoes, babies, women's hair and personal areas. I feel much safer when I and millions of others know that certain measures have been taken for our safety safety safety. Don't you think our armed forces give up some of their rights to secure our country all over the world. We should all have our rights with some compromises. Terrorists can kill thousands of people with just one plane(deadly missile). The TSA is our only line of defense.
rick737
Right out of the TSA handbook. Some German guy felt the same way in 1932. How did that work out for all of Europe and the jews? TSA=SS
cthirschberg
Richard: Your living in the past.
rick737
He who fails to learn from the failures of the past is doomed to relive it. Another smart guy said that. Why do you think that every officer in the military has read a book written around 400 BC by a chinese general named Sung Tsu? Because we can learn from our past. We will be taken down a road of regret, if we fail to learn from the mistakes of the past. Obviously, History is not taught at the TSA. If it was, the agents with a conscionous with resign.
cthirschberg
Richard, I actually agree with you on the weaknesses of the TSA. They only see in black and white. Individually,none of them want to be the guy or gal who let's a terrorist embark on a plane. Can you think of an alternative to the TSA???
rick737
Have you noticed that the FAA regulates aviation, NRC regulates nuclear power plants, FDA regulates drugs and food safety...on and on and on. Why do we need a big government jobs program to do a job that doesn't require government employees? The guidelines that serve the TSA can easily serve a non government company. So, Charles, what would be wrong with private security firms, following TSA guidelines, doing the job???
Darrens
Too right. I guess I expect better of those not capable of better....and I'm speaking of their govt minders when I say that.
dbwhite
You can allways choose not to go through.
rick737
And many do just that, Douglas. What has that cost our economy? How many more have died in car accidents because they choose to make long drives, rather than face the humiliation of being groped in front of their kids by a pervert with a badge? How many cancer patiences have been humilitated by STUPID TSA agents. Go to the top of this tread, Douglas, and read.
dbwhite
I agree it is an imperfect system. However untill we allow the TSA to reasearch everyone entering the airport and allow them to profile and pass judgement before they enter the screening area then they are forced to treat everyone as a terrorist. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
rick737
As long as we have the current management and staff, the TSA will remain an imperfect system. This is a classic example of kingdom building at the federal level. They don't feel the need to answer to any higher authority. They continually stomp all over the Bill of Rights. We both know there are systems that are far less intrusive that could be used, but it would mean the job could be done with fewer people and, the keyword here, less money. OUR money. We are actually charged to be violated!! So, take your cake cliche' someplace else. In this case, if the government would get out of the way we could have both.
dbwhite
The Bill of Rights allows you to turn around and not go through.
rick737
Oh contrare. Many a person has tried just that, only to be detained without cause, harrassed and intiminated. It's obvious you work for the government, or even worse, the TSA. Otherwise, you would not be vigorously defending their crimes.
rick737
Would someone please pass the koolaide to Douglas
dbwhite
I thought that your Bill of Rights said something about being proven guilty. I like how you apply the word crime when it suits your agenda, how about applying the Bill of Rights to everyone.
rick737
Would you re-write that last comment and try to make sense of it.
dbwhite
A court of law decides whether or not a crime has occured. Your quote "you would not be vigorously defending their crimes." I am not defending them. I am simply stating the facts. As with most things that humans do over time through trial and error we usually make it better and or safer. Cars were made without seatbelts, motorcycles were manufactured before helmets.
I understand your frustration, be thankful that we live in a country where you are allowed to even discuss imperfections in government. I have always been a proponent of less government. You claim they have commited crimes? What crimes have they been found guilty of?
rick737
I have witnessed female agents, with questionable sexual preference, pick young, well endowed female passengers for random pat down screening. This agent would place her opened palmed hand on the breast of the shocked passenger. It so happpen that particular day, I had a female FO that fit her personal preference profile. When she began the same groping technique on my FO, I forcefully called a halt to it. A female police officer, with the same questionable orientation as the agent told me to step back and allow the assault to continue. I refused. I demanded that the video tapes of the area be reviewed to prove my point. They had the unmitigated gall to tell me the security area is not surveiled by camera. When I explained I would testify in a court of law that the agent was assaulting passengers, the agent and cop slowly de-escalated. Try to fight the TSA on stuff like this. Janet Napolitano, who also swings from the other side of the plate would laugh at it. So, yeah, Douglas there are crimes being commited, they will never be prosecuted. Kinda, like the brown shirts back in Germany around the 1935 time frame.
dbwhite
All you have to do is file a police report. You dont need a police officer to file one.
rick737
Now you're just grasping for any excuse.
KauaiGolfer
KauaiGolfer 0
I'm thinking what exactly were they hoping to discover by fondling her implants? They're obviously not metallic, so by simply touching them they can tell exactly what they're made of? Saline, silicone, C-4, silly putty?
rick737
This, so called, screening program has not, NOT, stopped one bad guy from getting on a flight. Passengers and crew have stopped a lot of bad guys AFTER they've passed through our iron clad security system. Please, anyone out there, produce one example of a bad guy, with harmful intent, being stopped and detained at a security check point. The burger flippers are too busy groping cancer survivors to actually concern themselves with islamic terrorist.
upchucked
That is not a valid indicator, Richard. You would also have to ask how may would be terrorists have chosen not to try and board a plane because of the security screening. And, how many would be terrorists have tested the system with something that looks like an explosive but is really something benign, like a breast implant, with an intent to later fly with explosives if they are able to by-pass the security system.
cm5299
Chuck Me 0
If you look at the card picture posted, it says the implants DO contain metal. I'm guessing that's what the problem was. The card image posted looks useless though. No identifying information on it. It looks like anyone could get one of those. But that would make sense for a temporary device like it sounds like this was.

My father has a hip replacement and a pacemaker. He has cards that look much more official with his name on them and the device information. I think there's even an xray of his hip on that card. He hands them to the TSA when they check his ID. They usually then ask him if he would like to be screened in private. Never had a problem.

It's a shame when screwed up things like this happen. This could have easily been avoided. The TSA could have been more polite with this and the passenger should have told them in advance she had a metal device in her that may cause an issue. Hopefully everyone learned something.
Darrens
So much for common sense. You'd think they would have had at least a little training on doing their job in a compassionate manner. They can carry your belongings back and forth when they decide to screen them more thoroughly but they couldn't retrieve the ladys' wallet so she could prove what she asserted? Heck, she submitted to the backscatter scan! Could they not interpret it correctly??? What a disgusting performance by TSA.
rick737
Come on Darren, you're asking idiots, better suited to flipping burgers, to actually THINK.
rick737
Mr. Grady, simply put, TSA needs to Profile passengers passing through check points. But, thanks to organizations like the ACLU, that practice is not allowed. Why? Because it would allow LEO's to use their intuition when determining who needs additional scrutiny. Let's see.... we have a WWII vet in a wheel chair, and we have a twenty-two year male traveling with a Jordanian passport. Who is a more likely threat? In the new group/groop think of liberalized court system, they are equally threatening. How STUPID is that? So, we spend valuable time groping and humiliating a cancer patient, with proof of her condition, while we fail to profile the obvious threats. On a battlefield, that logic gets people killed.
99NY
99NY 0
Good plan. So while you are violently probing some college student from Yemen in the back room the perfectly normal-looking guy from Pleasantville USA who has some sort of crazy-a$$ message/vendetta to get out boards the plane with a bag full of explosives.

Profiling works until the criminals get wise to whats being profiled and change their MO. Then profiling is completely useless.
rick737
anyone who has ever played a sport will tell you running the same play over and over is a losing strategy. The beauty of profiling is that it remains flexible. The bad guys can't keep up.

So 99NY, I am led to believe it is okay with you the TSA groped and humiliated a cancer patient, so that nobody at that forlorned agency had to use their brain?
99NY
99NY 0
I didnt say I was OK with what the TSA did or does not do. I take issue with profiling b/c I've had ample experience with it from working with USCBP agents and found time after time that it does not work. Especially when left in the hands of idiots.
dstreet208
D.M. Street 0
TSA's philospophy is that EVERYONE is a potential suspect, and they act accordingly. AKA shotgun effect. Thus, they avoid having to hire and train people with brains and common sense (i.e. non-burger flippers). Now, just to be clear, not all TSA officers are like the bozo at JFK. I've met and spoken to some who are conscientious, thorough, and very polite about what they have to do as part of their job. It certainly would be nice if all of them were like that.
cm5299
Chuck Me 0
Well said.
linbb
linbb 0
Hey they are TSA people they are qualified for welfare and need all the understanding you can give them they may have completed the second grade they may know how to read,this way to the welfare line. That is one agency that needs to go away.
boblaw
Bob Law 0
This is a great lawsut - sue them bigtime and get free airline tickets.
boblaw
Bob Law 0
This is a great ;awsuit - sue sue sue and get free airlibe tickets.
MEDIC419
MEDIC419 0
fire the person
dalebr99
Dale Brown 0
I have a pain implant in my lower left back. Every time I fly I have the card in my hand and not once has the TSA looked at it. I have held it infront of their face and they could care less. So while I am be patted down all my belongings are sitting on the end of the scanner table for anyone to take. Luckily I usually fly with a member of my family who knows to go and get my computer and other things because I will be led aside and not have access to them. I don't mind them looking at the implant at all, but why do they think they have to pat down the other 99% when I am pointing the device out to them just like the scanner did. I believe in security, but security starts with common sense, that's where the problem lies. The TSA dosen't teach common sense, or common deciency!
vanbess
vanbess 0
All these criminals in TSA need to be locked up they just wanted to molest this woman
flightech
I think that was totally unnessary to subject this couragious lady to such treatment. Best of luck to her and the family because I lost two family members from cancer and hope they can come up with a cure soon. This lady has gone through hell and really don't need that kind of treatment, especially when they already knew what was going on or should have known. I think this officer and I use the word officer loosely should be brought up on charges if not fired for their actions. That was totally out of bounds.

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