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US airlines prep plane orders; AMR said to be close

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(Reuters) - An avalanche of airplane orders from the largest U.S. airlines may be on the way, with at least four major carriers in talks to buy fuel-efficient narrow-body planes to renew aging fleets. AMR Corp (AMR.N), parent of American Airlines, is further along in discussions and is eyeing a large order for more than 250 narrow-bodies valued at more than $15 billion to be split between Boeing Co (BA.N) and its European rival EADS (EAD.PA) unit Airbus, sources close to some of the talks said. (www.reuters.com) 更多...

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moose6692
american flying airbus guess there not american anymore :P
KW10001
KW10001 0
If Boeing doesn't win this contract, they will be gone by 2020...
preacher1
preacher1 0
As long as Airbus and Boeing have a different cockpit and require not only a separate type rating but SIM or training time to qualify, there will be headache. Being a Boeing man, I can't see why an Airline would want to run a mixed fleet. That being said, Airbus has got an exceptionally clean cockpit, and Boeing is going to have to realize that there is some serious competition in town, in a place where they have dominated for decades. Airbus is too big for them to buy out, like they did MD.
canuck44
canuck44 0
Boeing needs to quickly adapt the engineering for the 787 into a single aisle version of the 737 adding on the new fuel efficient engines. Most of the bugs to this type of manufacturing have already been worked out and Boeing is well ahead in the wing technology.
One size will not fit all....they need four sizes with identical cockpits equivalent to the AirBus family but the largest in the 230-250 passenger category but extended range to allow international flights on routes without heavy traffic loads. (the current B752 with winglets can now reach about 4000 NM). Lighter materials and more efficient engines are likely to make this a reality rather than a wish.
preacher1
preacher1 0
John: that may just be what they are planning and waiting on getting the 787 put completly to bed before jumping into a new project. If they apply that knowledge on a NEW 737, they will blow the A320neo out of the water, not only with a superior product, but by beating the delivery by years, IF THEY'LL MOVE.They have a good product in the 767-777 series and in the new 747 series. I think some engine work on the 767-777 series will suffice on those. Question will be on a new 737 is the cockpit. Will it be fly by wire or like the rest. I understand that the 787 is fly by wire. It will be interesting to see where they go.
Drag0nflamez
@Joe: American already flew Airbuses before 2009 (they got removed). It was the A300 back then. Highly advanced for its time. Boeing can't re-engine the 737 again. The ground clearance is too low, and both the PW1000G and the LEAP-X are too big for the 737 to handle, while the A320 can handle both easier. Boeing's best bet would be to make a cheap, short-range, 100 seat 787. (or if they want to make JAL & ANA happy, a 787 with a very short range, but high capacity)
preacher1
preacher1 0
I don't remember the type but that was an Airbus back in 01 or early 02 that lost the rudder and crashed on Long Island not that long after 911.
I really do feel like they will do a whole new 737, based off of 787 technology, and if that works they will take the rest of the fleet in that direction over the next several years.
Drag0nflamez
True. The rudder was lost due to improper training by American, because they told the pilots that they should excessively use the rudder, while Airbus said they shouldn't.

American ignored Airbus, and around 250 people died.

Boeing has got to do a new 737, as they are increasingly losing customers to Airbus, Embraer and soon Bombardier. The best part would be Southwest painting an A320 in Canyon Blue - which would mean doomsday for Boeing.
preacher1
preacher1 0
I tell you what, they all gonna have to watch out for Bombadier next year and they are taking a hard run at Southwest. Bombadier is noted for keeping their delivery dates and with both Embraer and Canadair getting their stuff up in the 90 PAX range, Boeing now has competetion from the bottom end as well as the top. They have a good product. They just have to get their act together and listen to what the customers want, rather than tell them what they are going to get.
slgordon3
slgordon3 0
Good point Wayne, those biggest E-jets hold just around 100 pax and are in mainline use at US, and a big part of JetBlue's fleet. Not the cream of the crop of US airlines, but still, that 100 seat market is very important to get people from smaller cities to hubs and for service between bigger cities with very frequent service (e.g., the PHL-BOS route, where US has hourly service from 6 am to 7 pm, and is also served by WN).
preacher1
preacher1 0
10-4, American Eagle is already quietly upgrading to those bigger ones on their higher density routes, and regardless of what the article is saying about AMR and them splitting the order, the bigger Ejets are doing very well and their performance is not going unoticed. Me thinks they may be a tad cheaper than what the newer 737/320neo's are going to be too.
Drag0nflamez
Plus, if AMR splits the order, that would happen much faster.
preacher1
preacher1 0
Could very well be. I think orders from any of the carriers is going to depend on delivery times, and the big problem here is that Boeing and Airbus are watching each other so closely that they may lose sight of these others.
chalet
chalet 0
Saab in Sweden is about to shut down their plants virtually bankrupt. Fokker in The Netherlands folded a few years ago but their factory(ies) are still open making spares. Would not either Boeing and Airbus consider use these fine companies as suppliers of components. After the gigantic orders Airbus took in Paris for the 320NEO aircraft, and what is shapping up in the U.S. for several hundred aircraft, capacity is going to be very scarce and delays in deliveries would be inevitable. Ah, I almost forgot that the former Douglas plant in Long Beach is closed, that one should be a good candidate too for reopening.
Drag0nflamez
The Douglas plant would need lots of refurbishing...
preacher1
preacher1 0
Somebody in the last few days mentioned the old Douglas plant at St Louis. Unless they walked away from it in the last while, Boeing still had a presence up there but now that TWA is gone, it may be plumb dead too. Lord knows they need something at Lambert. Were it not for Southwest, that place would be a ghost town. As Chalet said, there are several places around the world. I just hope that somebody at Boeing is looking at all this stuff instead of cryng in their beer wondering why they are getting the %^& kicked.
slgordon3
slgordon3 0
Yeah, St. Louis used to be such a busy place. I remember connecting there on a flight to Phoenix in late 2000 on a friday night, it was absolutely bustling--geographically it's perfectly suited for connections going from east coast to west coast and vice versa. Pittsburgh really got hit hard too, that place is a ghost town, which is a shame cause it's a nice, well designed airport. Now a major share of that traffic has moved to my home airport (PHL) and it just can't handle the volume of people. Any PIT people reading this, I'm not defending US Airways.
chalet
chalet 0
I visited Cleveland recently after a hiatus of 10 years and the airport was another ghost town. In the 70s I used to shuttle around LGA/JFK, DCA, PHL, ORD, PIT and CLE, there were always direct flights to anywhere all the time, no more, you have to wait hours or go via some place. Whatever happened to America. Fifty years ago the manufacturing sector contributed to something like 60% of the GNP, nowadays they say it is down to 15%. Yes, you buy now everything made in China, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Costa Rica, Vietnam (of all places), etc.
bishops90
@ Chalet - I've already answered your question in another discussion, no need to re-hash here.
Mrrdog01
Kylan Walters (KW10001)
2 days ago
If Boeing doesn't win this contract, they will be gone by 2020...

Are you serious????This is the most insane prophecy I've ever heard in my life. With so many airplanes needed over the next 20 plus years world wide, it doesn't matter who has the better product, both Boeing and airbus are going to get their share of the pot. For one to suggest that one of the two companies isn't going to be around by 2020 is utterly ridiculous. It will be physically impossible for one company to provide airplanes to the entire world, unless the airlines don't mind waiting 15 to 20 years to get their first airplane from the huge backlog that would surely exist.
JL45
Masao Aochi 0
What is average life span of Airbus as compare to Boeing? According number of mechanics, Being is built like bricks and last forever like 50-60s old US automobile.
jaylink1971
Jay Link 0
Re: "the old Douglas plant at St Louis", it continues to build military equipment like F-18s so far as I know.
skyguy6519
Regardless of which of these orders Boeing or Airbus wins, Boeing isn't going anywhere. The political reality is Boeing is one of the big 3 defense contractors in this country. There isn't a politician in this country that will them them go away, not counting the commercial work they spread to all the states. The practical reality is that Boeing will decentralize more than they have. The new plant in Charleston is just the beginning. They are no longer bound by unique infrastructure tooling and special requirements to build their aircraft, and jobs bring political clout. I believe they will now begin shopping states for new facilities and seeing who will provide them with the best deals to locate there. They have outsourced lots of things they will leave outsourced, and generated partnerships world wide with reciprocal business agreements. They aren't going to give up that kind of power again, ever. At one point in history Boeing built furniture to survive, they are a long way from having that happen again.
captainjman
if it ain't Boeing, I ain't going
Drag0nflamez
That's gonna be hard, Jason, as lots of US carriers are getting Airbuses. Good luck with going Boeing.
captainjman
its just a chant dude - its like saying if obama wins the election I am moving to canada... im still in chicago!

get a GPS - maybe it will help you find your sense of humor LOL

LOL -- all kidding aside, you're right, and I hate airbus... I really do! maybe its because several tails have fallen off, or the economic impact on our GDP.

In any case, it would be nice it the people, you know, those whom the constitution called "we the people" actually knew what was at stake, gave a crap, and were heard.

But alas, thats common sense, and there is none of that anymore! we know that!

J
s2v8377
s2v8377 0
I personally hope this is AMR trying to get Boeing to commit to what I guess will be a 797. If not I'm hoping they stay with the B738 for their narrow body fleet renewal.

In the long run I don't see the overall benefits of having a mixed Airbus Boeing fleet again after the retirement of the A300's. Also to me it's a strange battle between Airbus and Boeing on this one. Boeing says overall the B737NG family gives better overall operational costs, and Airbus claims the A320NEO saves airlines 15% on fuel burn.

Well these are just my personal opinions, and regardless I'll be interested to see what American announces.

IF IT ISN'T BOEING I'M NOT GOING!!!
PRJD
Cris Orengo 0
I like nice new airplanes as much as the next person, though I do prefer the Boeing product for jingoistic reasons. Got a chance to fly Airbus 380, in first class on Arab Emirates and I must admit, that can be quite addictive. However, it still comes down to customer service for me. Providing a nice ride will be wasted if you treat the paying public like crap and all the airlines are doing that these days
usaerin
How does Pratt & Whitney figure in this contest between Boeing and Airbus?
captainjman
No Pratt, no GE, lambo engines!!! You know compared to a jet engine a lambo v10 is very fuel efficient!!!
panam1971
panam1971 0
If Boeing builds a 797, what will their next 'plane be?
Drag0nflamez
@panam1971 I'd guess the 7107 :p or the 737-1000 :p
@Kenneth: P&W gets rich due to the 100 seater war, as both the launch A320neo and CSeries uses PW's PW1000G and PW1500G engines respectively.

CFM will get rich later with the LEAP-X on the neo one year after PW brings the neo the PW1000G..
panam1971
panam1971 0
Maybe Boeing will revive the DC/MD line...DC-12 anyone?

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