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Germanwing Reportage Getting it Wrong

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The "pilot" and "copilot" thing is getting out of hand. Why can't the media understand there are two pilots in a cockpit. They've only had, what, 70 years to get it straight? This and other facets of the crash are now being discussed at Ask the Pilot... (www.askthepilot.com) 更多...

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pr0ject
El Kabong 2
co·pi·lot
ˈkōˌpīlət/
noun
noun: co-pilot

1.
a second pilot in an aircraft.

verb
verb: co-pilot

1.
act as the copilot of (an aircraft).
GateHold
That does not change the fact that the ways in which the media uses the terms "pilot" and "copilot" is deceptive. The copilot is not an apprentice. Both pilots fly the plane, and copilots make just as many takeoffs and landings as captains. (The BBC had a ridiculous description of the copilot as somebody who will “steer the plane during the pilot’s breaks, or if he or she became ill.”) Because of the vagaries of the airline seniority system, it's not uncommon for copilots to be older and more experienced than the captain.
pilot62
Only the captain is allowed to fly ever !! ;D
jmilleratp
jmilleratp 1
I haven't heard any of what the author is talking about. I have primarily been watching CNN, and they have been portraying the situation as one pilot being in the cockpit, and one being locked outside. And, they have been emphasizing how much training and scrutiny the First Officer, and the Captain, need to go through to fly for that airline.
num1tailhooker
We have now had three horrific airplane accidents that occurred, or the chain of events that led up to these accidents were initiated, with the aircraft captain (pilot) out of his seat. The recent Germanwings accident or intentional accident occurred because the captain needed to use the toilet 28 minutes after takeoff. I find it hard to understand why an adult male cannot make a short flight without having to use the onboard toilet. Every airport has restrooms adjacent to the boarding area. If that is not sufficient, the onboard toilet can be used prior to takeoff. Once airborne, gut it out until after landing. Especially on a short flight such as this was scheduled to be. If it is necessary for the captain to suffer a little discomfort while waiting to land, so be it. When the captain turns on the seat belt light thus prohibiting the use of the rest rooms by the passengers, we are sometimes required to spend a lot longer than 28 minutes without the use of a toilet.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Seems to me this was about a 2hr flight. I was captain on waivers for diabetes. That was a stretch. To boot, I generally hand flew from 10000 down and I didn't want any distraction.
Just sayin'.
btweston
btweston 1
Yeah. That's what this is really about...
GateHold
There's an update to this post: The raw tragedy of the Germanwings crash is terrible enough, but the incident has spawned a sideshow of ill-informed and just plain aggravating conversations taking place across the media that somebody needs to address.

Whether it’s on the human factors side of things or on the technical part of flying, much of the talk is misleading. As if air travel weren’t misunderstood enough already.
GateHold
Oops. There's an "s" missing in that title.
pilot62
this is so assanine given what happened - no body even pilots care what you posted and said -
NEVER A SINGLE PERSON ALONE IN FLIGHT !!! NEVER and if something as sick as this occurs again , kick in the bathroom - or galley bulkhead and do it fast !!
BoeingorBust
Doug Mire 1
Seriously? Nearly 150 innocent people are dead, and you're worried about the media getting your title wrong? Anyone with a little common sense knows the media is clueless when it comes to commercial aviation, or any aviation for that matter, and I assure you, is focusing on what really matters in the story: a selfish, deceitful individual without regard for anyone else who hid his psychological problems from the airline and took out a whole plane load of people instead of just killing himself at home. Or how about a cockpit door designed so that NOBODY can open it from the outside?

I used to be a dispatcher for a major regional airline. Almost every time I told someone what I di, they always asked if I work in a control tower talking to the airplanes and telling them where to go. After a while, I'd just laugh it off and ignore it. That's what you need to do. GET OVER YOURSELF!! I wonder how much this pilot/copilot thing will bother you once you move over to the left seat?

Oh, and the book plug at the end of your rant was completely tasteless.
GateHold
>> Seriously? Nearly 150 innocent people are dead, and you're worried about the media getting your title wrong? <<

That's not the point of my post, and if you read the entire thing you'd realize that. I put a lot of work into my posts and I take every aspect of this disaster seriously.

As to the book "plug," that's a default at the end of every post, and I waited three days before activating it. Even then I had mixed feelings about it, and I still do. Perhaps you're right, it shouldn't be there. At the same time, any magazine, newspaper, website or TV network covering this story is doing so FOR PROFIT. I make very, very little income from my site. I write about air travel because I love air travel and always have.
GateHold
I was thinking more about your taking offense to my book "plug." Like I said, any magazine, newspaper, website or TV network covering this story is doing so FOR PROFIT. You're watching CNN or BBC coverage of the crash, and what to they do every 15 minutes: they show a bunch of commercials. Do you complain that those too are "completely tasteless"? At least my book is relevant to the topic and not some shitty generic product.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Much like some airport codes, i.e. DEN outside of aviation circles, gets referred to as DIA. Those in the cockpit will be referred to whatever those folks are raised with and you will never change it. If you are right seat you are a co-pilot.
Bcompton53
Bcompton53 0
Who would have guessed that the person complaining about being called a co-pilot is a co-pilot. Seriously? BBC may have gotten it wrong, but saying that both pilots have the same experience, which is occasionally true, is definitely not a true statement. Keep working though, you'll make pilot(captain) someday.
GateHold
How is it "definitely not a true statement?" It's not unusual for the first officer to be more experienced than -- and sometimes senior to -- the captain.

Also many FO's bypass upgrade because they can have a much better quality of life as a senior copilot than as a junior captain.

As for that ray of hope, I've been an airline pilot for 25 years, in both seats, but thanks just the same.

-- PS
hollardds
hollardds 0
Not sure about international titles, but in the US it's Pilot and F.O. anyway (First Officer)
iflyfsx
iflyfsx 2
I thought it was Captain and First Officer.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Actually, this is what it is but they are also designated as PF and PFN or PM. Pilot Flying, Pilot not flying or Pilot monitoring.
GateHold
No it isn't. It's captain and F.O., or captain and copilot. And both are pilots.

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