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Cessna crash in Utah caught on video

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A small plane carrying five passengers crash landed in snowy Utah when carb icing occurred and it was all caught on cell phone video. (www.cbsnews.com) 更多...

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jcveraart
cor veraart 7
Happy to see that everbody came out safe.
lisejungebloedt
Liese Jungebloedt 4
The title of the article is certainly misleading! The aftereffects of the crash were perfectly filmed and are impressive. Miracles still happen - I´m glad no one was hurt.
bjnelson1
William Nelson 3
The thing about carb ice is when you notice it. Carb heat is way better at preventig ice that removing it.
SkyKing169
Karl Sieg 2
Since I fly fuel-injected and haven't flown carbureted for some time now, help me out here. Why wouldn't applying carb heat have avoided the off-airport landing?
bobbypilot
Robert Gomez 2
annellandfrank
John Taylor 2
A number of you have referenced the lack of flaps. I have no answer; but a question. Does that model have elec actuated/activated flaps? The Cessna's I've flown all did. If so, and if he had no elec, he would have had no flaps. Just another area I'm sure they will look into e.g.,gen.(or alternator),bat.,connections,service, etc. It's been a joy exchanging thoughts and reading the various comments from you-all (yes I'm in Texas)Cheers
JFT
ryancessna
Ryan Duran 2
Glad to see everyone made it out ok. but it is important to remain calm in these types of situations. Easier said than done, nevertheless he did a great job putting it down..
209flyboy
209flyboy 2
With the highway right below, I wonder why they didn't put it down on the road.
Thank God there ok.
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 1
Dear John... here in Texas, we say Yall. That is all.
From Toby. Also in Texas ;)
AABABY
FRANK MARTINOLI 1
It's more difficult to melt it after it forms.
annellandfrank
John Taylor 1
Gotcha Toby! You-all, Yall, Y'all...it's "all" OK w/me as long as you don't say "youins"!! Joking aside....I hope the young pilot comes out of this OK. Pilot error often seems to be at the top of the "conjecture" list; especially from other pilots!In this case,absent injurys, I suspect it will basically be an insurance thing rather than an in depth FAA deal. But who knows? I still marvel that he plunked that thing down w/out hurting anyone! Cheers
JFT
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
It may not have been working in the first place...if that was the culprit. It very well could have been water in the fuel....which I suspect was the problem........but it could have also been mechanical . The inspectors will find out. The first thing they probably did was take a fuel sample. Then go to the mags, then cylinders and so on....who knows at this point.
Only thing is, the PIC was fully responsible for the safe operation of the flight. Hopefully he did his due diligence prior to the flight.
captainjman
Jason Feldman 2
Would have been hard not to smack the camera guy as he said "sorry about your plane" or "this is exciting". Lol. At least everyone is alive. Personally I wouldn't take an infant in a single engine plane unless absolutely necessary. It's not wrong to bring one - but just my personal preference. Would love to know all the details - weight and balance too - since there was no appearant flare and yoke looked full aft (could have been due to damage to tail though. Carb ice? Water in fuel? Mechanical failure? We're flaps used? We're there better options than deep snow? Not playing Monday morning quarterback - just want to learn from the accident
TheFasterGun
Faster Gun 2
"...man, I'm sorry about YOUR plane (chuckle chuckle)"

Facepalm..
pilot62
Scott Campbell 2
He was over a perfectly good highway when it started losing power, they say any landing you live through is a good one, I think he was little too relaxed. I wasn't there but it looked like at least 6000 feet when he knew he had a problem, and just says this is going to be exciting ... Come on
annellandfrank
John Taylor 2
Bingo! Carb ice, at this point, is simply a WAG on the part of a very lucky pilot (and PAX!)Your list of possible causes is very complete; but consideration should also be given to: fuel tank selection,fuel filters,mixture setting,plus carb related mechanical push/pull cables and ,of course, Ignition (mag.) cables/connections. As I'm sure you know; all that stuff needs to be examined to affix a "primary cause"! As to the pilot; whatever his mis-deeds (if any!!) he got them down in one piece. So flaps, flair, etc., be-damned!He was in sufficient control...and in that deep snow that airplane was going over no matter what! As to carb ice; once you're iced to the point of eng stoppage; carb heat wont bring it back anyway as there is no (hot) air flow through the venturi! Besides....carb ice is associated w/descent pwr settings..not cruise! If it was pilot error "not good"! BUT...I choose to believe there are sufficient anomalies to cut him some slack.....one thing for sure; he'll be smarter next time!
JFT
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 1
....instantly!!!
bovineone
Jeff Lawson 1
Another news article reports that the pilot said: "While U.S. 89/91 would have been an ideal place to put the plane down, Goodsell said he wasn’t about to do that with all of the traffic, leaving him to find a place not obstructed by telephone poles and power lines." http://news.hjnews.com/allaccess/article_36b5a2b2-6d7c-11e2-bed9-0019bb2963f4.html?mode=jqm
SkyKing169
Karl Sieg 1
ABCDE: A: best Airspeed for longest glide, B: Best landing site - highways are usually not a good choice for overhead utility lines and traffic, C: Checklist - review the checklist and attempt a restart, D: Declare an emergency, E: Execute the unplanned landing. We can't second-guess the pilot because we weren't there, but would you fly with him?
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 1
FLY THE AIRPLANE
tarbaby
phil gibson 0
Yea, the owner has only had that airplane about six months. It "was" a 1960 Cessna 175. I don't it was carb ice.....maybe "water" in the fuel......:(
linbb
Boyd Butler 1
And another repost.
jimnbubba
James Gibson 1
I began flying in single engine Carburated aircraft, we were taught to always apply carb heat when we throttled back for landing
SkyKing169
Karl Sieg 1
In our T-crafts, and then later non-fuel-injected Cessnas, abeam the numbers on downwind, throttle back, apply carb heat, and if equipped with flaps, put in one notch and adjust pitch, decend 200 feet and turn base, then descend 200 more feet and turn final. So I'm left scratching my head how the carburetor in the plane in this story iced up. What more is there to the story?
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
Noticed there were no flaps used at all.......there was no flare....there was no depth perception apparently. Nose gear dug in upon impact. He was too fast. Plain luck and God saved those people.....it was not the skill of the pilot. Just the luck of the draw....on his end.
captleo
captleo 1
Mr. phil i agree with you because thats the same thing i said about this accident, excuse me but he had a whole lots of luck to come out the way they did, no flaps, no flair and not warning to his passengers about the soon to come impact.
captleo
captleo 1
Mr. taylor how many time had they being in a plane crash, do you remember us airway splash? he said brace, brace, brace thats the warning the pilot should say to his passengers
JosephVazzo
Joseph Vazzo 1
A great time to pray to God, even if you hardly every bother to communicate with him.
Kimikaze
Kimikaze 1
The video isn't available because of copyright claims? Give me a break. What could be deemed a training video for some, has been removed because someone’s ego has been bruised. Everyone absorbs information differently and sometimes accidents like this can have a benefit for beginning pilots who lack experience. Removing this video doesn't benefit anyone.
chalet
chalet 1
Sounds and looks as if the pilot is not precisely a bright fellow
devsfan
ken young 1
Question for pilots on here. Noticing the wide expanse of flat land in the video...
Would it not have been possible to use flaps to create lift while keeping the nose pitched just slightly up until the aircraft slowed to speed where a "softer" landing would have been possible?
jgrafious
jon grafious 1
Depending on the temp and humidity, if icing has arlready begun, it wont eliminate the ice before engine failure. Carb heat is for prevention, but reduces performance.
jplumbob
Joseph Plummer 1
I am doubtful it was carb ice. It looked too cold. When it it is cold there is little humidity in the air. The moisture in the air is what causes icing. I have a feeling something else will be the cause. Pilot prob assumed ice due to how the engine was reacting.
jplumbob
Joseph Plummer 1
I think he misjudged distance off the ground which would be easy with the snow. I assume he did not flare at all. I do not believe the snow had anything to do with the airplane flipping with the exception of visibility.
jplumbob
Joseph Plummer 1
I have changed my opinion. I took a good look at the video and it looks like the airplane hit a dirt berm. I paused vid and looked at the tracks in snow. From watching them walking you can see the pilot almost fall when his foot goes into a deeper spot. Have feeling this was a plowed field and nose wheel buried itself in a high spot.
jplumbob
Joseph Plummer 1
Oh I agree. He did the best job he was able to do. His first words were asking if everyone was ok. If you got the impression I was trying to find fault with the pilot I am sorry. Just trying to make observations. I give him a lot of credit. He appeared calm the entire time and did the best he could. He had enough respect to even give a sincere apology. It's going to be interesting to find out what did happen.
lchamp
lchamp 1
I'm sure glad there were no cameras running when I wrecked my lightplane in 1959! That would have been embarrassing.
Jackman10
John Rumpf 1
I'm sorry it is not a 172 it is a 175
Dubslow
Bill Winslow 1
Dude this is like a three week old duplicate (that's why all the downvotes)
bovineone
Jeff Lawson 1
1960 Cessna 175B according to the registration http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N8125T
tarbaby
phil gibson 3
It's always possible it wasn't working properly in the first place. That is a pre-takeoff item on the runup.
jimnbubba
James Gibson 3
that would be fixed gear
linbb
Boyd Butler 4
Did a good job of putting it down. Learned when I first started flying in Seattle about carb heat that was almost started on the first lesson as there were many at that time off airport landings due to ice. I had a friend that put his in that way.
blakerl
Larry Blaker 2
Today's pilots are learning on fuel injected aircraft and don't get much info about carb ice. Then they go out and buy an older aircraft and get surprised by it.
SkyKing169
Karl Sieg 2
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 2
flight sim style landing.....
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
A stroke of "luck" got those folks on the ground. Quite frankly, he did all the wrong procedures. He was there for the ride.
Too bad.
bovineone
Jeff Lawson 1
Accident wiki description here, including some additional details and web links about it: http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=153006
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
You're right.....Copyright claim......are you kidding me? It was the ambulance chasing "lawyers" that set that up.Bottomfeeders.......
annellandfrank
John Taylor 1
Conjecture can be fun; and even enlightening...when it leads to FACTS. But the facts at this point are pretty much nil! However some things are apparent: the landing was hard;note the fuselage droop and short roll-out prior to flipping over. BUT...apparently not hard enough to cause ANY injuries even though they ended up-side down! Looks like he "pan-caked" into the ground causing the gear to absorb most of the energy resulting in a rapid descelleration and subsequent less-than-violent flip! The pilot could have done much worse: stall/fall in a last minute searching for the BEST landing site,die by 18 wheeler on the free-way,etc. As to viz....looks CAVU to me? About carb ice; it's temp vs humidity....never just one or the other; and it can happen at any OAT when the spread is less tha 2.5 degrees. As to the flare....I think you just may be spot-on! I know this may be archaic...but my view is that w/engine failure: "any-injury-free-landing is a good landing"!I still say: cut 'im some slack! Maybe he didn't do it all of it "just-right"....but he damn-well did it! Cheers
JFT
annellandfrank
John Taylor 1
Warn them? They were there!!! Believe me; they new they would be landing..one way or the other! What's your point?
JFT
tarbaby
phil gibson 2
The point is.....the only one doing any talking was the video taker.....probably the owner of the plane. The pilot didn't a word or turn to tell everyone to make sure their "seatbelt" was firmly fastened. He was just going for the flat spot. Flaps would have helped to slow the plane for the impact. Thank goodness is was soft snow instead of terra firma. He was very lucky.....especially the passengers. I would not fly with him again. It could have been much worse.
annellandfrank
John Taylor 1
I addressed all that Phil in my response to Jason earlier. Actually w/no snow and a "flat spot" he would have simply landed! Over??
Certainly no one would disagree your last sentence: "could've been much worse"!
Cheers
JFT
annellandfrank
John Taylor 1
WTFO?? I don't get it! What does this have to do w/the Cessna crash??
JFT
skitchen8
Eric Spittle -1
Isn't it your god's fault this plane crashed? Your precious god tried to murder an infant and you want to give it praise? How stupid.
TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 0
Exactly. I encountered carb ice and, following procedure, melted it and resumed flight plan. Frankly I'm surprised PIC didn't requested everyone be quiet so he could concentrate on the checklist procedures.
NicholasLedvinka
Nicholas Ledvinka -4
lol the plane went sliding on its belly intil it was upside down The plane got owned!
ToddBaldwin3
Todd Baldwin 3
That's not really a funny situation.
pete480
pete480 1
How old are you, 12?

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linbb
Boyd Butler 17
Gee you are a real airplane person with that comment. Would be hard to do in an airplane that has fixed gear. For you that means it does not retract they stay down all the time. Now try again.

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THRUSTT
THRUSTT 6
People were in shock the last time I went around town with no pants on my gear...
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 1
You are my idol, you and preach
captainjman
Jason Feldman 1
The duality of man personified - hehe
cvkline
Charley Kline 2
In winter wheel pants are often removed to keep them from getting snow and slush lodged in them. Otherwise the wheels might freeze up in flight and not begin turning upon landing.

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HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 2
jets crash like....all the time do to carb icing. Be sure to get a Carbmaster9000 installed on your jet. The best Carbs out there!
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 1
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
What kind of jet do you fly?
blucenturion
blucenturion 4
the kind that produces thrust after a plate of cheese.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 3
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 1
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
You guys crack me up! Forums are just " plane" fun!
pete480
pete480 1
Does your mother know you're on her computer?
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 1
Woulda liked to see you unweld them inflight ha
captleo
captleo -1
Let just clear this, first this was a fixed gear plane, one said that the plane slided on its belly, wrong you could see clearly that it appear to hit nose first turn over and hit the tail upside down and then after the crash he had the yoke pulled back, beside engine failure for other reason to me it was carb iced up, i did some flying in teterboro and even on the summer time my cfi asked me to use carb ice on down wind, another thing is when the carb iced up and you apply heat the engine look like turning off but it will not die it is sucking sucking water from the ice and everything will be ok after that.
captleo
captleo -1
You are down wind turning base one notch of flap and carb ice turning final apply flap as necessary touch and go remove carb ice full power ice remove flaps and i can see also that this gentleman forgot about flair before hiting ground as you can see he hit the nose hard
Klemons
Klemons 0
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Utah Plane Crash Captured on Cell Phone by Passenger

Everyone walks away just fine. Give this pilot some props!

http://youtu.be/JDQVN_G1bM4
aat0783
Andrew Taylor 0
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Passenger uses cell phone video to document family plane crash

The reason Jonathan Fielding's voice is so calm in the accompanying video is because he did not expect the plane he and his family--including an infant son--were flying in would endure a violent crash landing that would leave the aircraft upside-down. Remarkably, nobody was seriously hurt. (Pay special attention at the 1:25 mark.)

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/50998/passenger+uses+cell+phone+video+to+document+family+plane+crash/
Jackman10
John Rumpf 0
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Cessna 172 Crash landing in Utah {Video}

UTAH (KTLA) –A passenger shot cell phone video while his single-engine airplane made a crash landing in Utah.

Jonathan Fielding was aboard the plane with his wife, their 7-month-old child, and his mother-in-law when the engine froze over and the pilot had to make an emergency landing.

The pilot found a field to set the aircraft down, but heavy snow on the ground caused the plane’s landing gear to buckle and the plane flipped over.

No one was seriously injured in the wreck.

Fielding credited the pilot with saving everyone on board.

His wife Kara said she would fly again despite the fact that this was her first venture in a plane.

Power lines and heavy traffic made landing on nearby roads extremely dangerous, according to the pilot.



http://ktla.com/2013/02/17/utah-plane-crash-captured-on-cell-phone-by-passenger-original-footage/
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 2